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  # 1825480 19-Jul-2017 20:24
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That would be ideal however I cannot see all the rights owners agreeing to that. They make more I would imagine from exclusive deals and the contestability of the whole thing.



Sadly many companies, especially large and/or US based ones, range from either merely putting profits before people to outright fighting tooth and nail to maximise profits. It's why you need politicians who can and will legislate to achieve balance. NZ is very luck in that respect, we have the CGA, DVD region circumvention is legal, Telecom was forced to split, Chorus & the other LFC's are regulated, etc. It's not that much of a stretch to see a future where our politicians are willing to legislate to regulate the media content market and ensure a fair deal for kiwis ahead of the rights of content holders, particularly large foreign/multinational ones that have repeatedly prove themselves to be pure corporate evil (For example any company that belongs to or supports the RIAA, MPAA, RIANZ, FACT, etc)



Your suggestion is a REALLY good topic. But it always gets derailed by anti Sky, anti this anti that.


Here is my view. 


There are 3 tiers. Owners of the content, lets say SANZAR for rugby as one example. Or who owns a really cool TV series, or a great movie franchise, doesn't really matter. Lets add in Liberty for Formula 1. The next tier is the providers that buy it. TV services like Sky, HBO, BBC, Netflix, TVNZ, many others. Some national. some global. The third tier are the consumers.We may subscribe to a pay service like Sky, HBO, Netflix, etc, or FTA, where we pay via advertising, or Govt funding. Sky, HBO etc wont get any payback. But they could expect to hold subscribers, gain subscribers, be known.


Now, if the owners sold it to everyone. Sky, TVNZ, Mediaworks, HBO, Netflix and so on. The TV series now is valueless. Advertising is worthless as its everywhere. Pay subscribers are worthless as its everywhere. However, the cost to buy the rights are cheap as many bought it. But who will buy it? Maybe no one, as while its cheaper as everyone bought it, maybe few bought it. Lets say Sky, Netflix and TVNZ. Its not now that cheap, its one third of what Sky would have paid above, but its still valueless. Thats the problem.


How this could easily be solved is that the owners deal direct with consumers. We subscribe to SANZAR pay service, Liberty F1 for the F1 races. And so on.


But then FTA, Sky, HBO, Netflix and so on are out of business. As there is no content to buy. Plus we all now have 23 subscriptions to manage. Maybe some are $25 a month, some are $9 a month, some are 50c a month, but we have a very fragmented system. This applies to all content.


I don't agree or disagree with you, but as the saying goes, its complicated.  

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  # 1825498 19-Jul-2017 20:41
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It's not all sunshine & flowers with Sky over here. Because there is a duopoly with Sky & BT you need both if you're serious about your sport. It's not even like you can have just one if you're interested in a particular type of sport. Football is played across both Sky and BT (and sometimes BBC) depending on the game. 



Yes, this is quite correct. And to further complicate it, if you like less mainstream sports you need to pay for Sky Sports, BT Sport, Eurosport and Premier.


And also, I don't think Sky NZ own enough content to break down their sports channels like their UK equivalent does.


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  # 1825566 19-Jul-2017 22:42
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I think a Spotify type model works for the idea. For arguments sake (and yes I know there is all sorts of reasons why they can't) , hypothetically Sky offers all the things via Satellite, Vodafone by Cable, and Netflix/Lightbox via streaming. We chose the platform we like.. it has every single piece of content on it, which those platforms have paid not a cent for up front. We pay those providers our $20/month like Spotify Premium, and every content creator who's stuff gets watched gets a cut of that based on viewing market share.

Information wants to be free. The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.

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  # 1825590 20-Jul-2017 04:40
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Dropping satellite is not going to happen, they would be 10 years away from that. I would expect them to start an official service over fibre first.


It would take 3 years minimum to shift satellite users over to a new setup. Just look at how long its taken them to to shift the mpg2 box users over to the new ones. They are still to do their planned DVB-S to DVB S2 service upgrade.







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  # 1825597 20-Jul-2017 06:38
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Dropping satellite is not going to happen, they would be 10 years away from that. I would expect them to start an official service over fibre first.


It would take 3 years minimum to shift satellite users over to a new setup. Just look at how long its taken them to to shift the mpg2 box users over to the new ones. They are still to do their planned DVB-S to DVB S2 service upgrade.









Do you mean because if the technology, or because of the customers? I assume the tech


MySky is network ready. They created Neon, Fanpass so that that is ready. IMHO they are ready for the streaming model. I would severely doubt, given that they gave to pay the high Optus costs, and as many say are in the 80's, that they could the add another layer of cost with video over fibre. They do that now, vis Neon, Fanpass and OD, but the numbers would skyrocket.


The ideal scenario is that as the satellite is old, and already amortised, that the costs would drop by a large amount. Then, they can do both perhaps. But the main advantage of streaming is that you could literally run it from one office, and have no infrastructure to worry about. Using and continuing MySky would help make the transition a lot easier for the less tech inclined. 

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  # 1825812 20-Jul-2017 12:17
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So how does this work if, say for instance, there are two golf feeds on like the LPGA and the PGA?


Will one get a live slot and the other delayed? I like the idea but unless you pop up channels to cover the live then it is kind of pointless.

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  # 1825905 20-Jul-2017 14:21
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The whole idea of channels needs to die IMO. Its just something they fill with crap when there is no sports on. Pop ups appearing and disappering is annoying.


Just needs an event list and you can watch it when its on, when its gone its not on the list anymore.


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