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#1857345 2-Sep-2017 20:12

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I think the point here is that Sky has its head up its arse and that is annoying paying customers. It doesn't strike me as a particularly intelligent way of doing business. Oh, right, they are bleeding subscribers. Gee, I wonder what the reason for that can be?

Trolling. You have been watching the rest of the thread you can see the reality is different from the perception and yet you post this disgraceful bit of nonsense.

Are people annoyed? Yes, there are some people. Do they have their heads up their jacksies? Nope, they have a problem that doesn't have an easy or simple solution.

Troll elsewhere.

Seems to be a trend to call anyone with contrary views a troll. Not the case. The post you claim is trolling is entirely appropriate for this thread.

No. Look at the facts, doesnt matter if you hate Sky or dont hate Sky, it matters if you turn a blind eye to reality, and focus on hating Sky.

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#1857346 2-Sep-2017 20:16

We hate Sky because they hold our best programming and sell it back to use for excessive fees. Its almost like holding us to ransom.

Sky forget thats it is 2017 and that Netflix is well established and it will ruin them.

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#1857348 2-Sep-2017 20:18

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I remeber back in the 90s when I got Sky I was a bit of a fanboy, and most people who got it (esp the sports fans) were enthusiastically popular about the service after escaping the wasteland of free-to-air broadcasting. That's not now the case. Based on the admittedly small sample of my friends and after work drink conversations where I am, pretty much everyone (including sports fans) has a negative view of Sky. And a number, like me, ate looking at alternatives and actively considering dropping them. Much media commentary is the same. And, in my opinion, this change in sentiment and perception among remaining subscribers should concern them much more than the subscribers that they have already lost.

I hear that. I see it as tall poppy syndrome. Its trendy to hate Sky. It used to be trendy to hate Telecom. If Sky rorted, I would agree, but they dont. $15 a month may seem like standard fare these days, but it isn't. Plus Sky doesnt compete with NF and LB, content it totally different

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#1857352 2-Sep-2017 20:23

kingdragonfly: Good article from Bill Bennett, found here in GeekZone news.

https://billbennett.co.nz/new-zealanders-top-online-service-buyers/

Any article that compared NF and/or LB to Sky is stupid. Totally different animals. But its about the money, Cue Andrew McWhoever

I watch Curiositystream SVOD. US$ 2-95 So based on Bills article Netflix is stupidly expensive.

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#1857353 2-Sep-2017 20:24

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quickymart: Speaking of Sky and sport...

http://nzh.tw/11915194

Go Amazon!

Imagine being able to buy one game of rugby, in HD, for a reasonable price. Maybe we won't have to imagine too much longer.

Will it be cheaper than Sky per game? If so, thats good. Went affect Sky, will affect Rugby, because Sky doesnt pay for rugby, its subscribers do

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#1857354 2-Sep-2017 20:28

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One thing might annoy a tad about the possible amazon rugby deal.

Sky pays tax here in NZ, a fairly substantial amount which pays for our infrastructure etc including the new fibre network. And NZ taxpayers in general have paid for the UFB network installation.

Now amazon will swoop in , using the taxpayer funded fibre network to deliver rugby to the people of New Zealand, and pay tax on profits in ireland.

In a perverse view of things, Sky have financially contributed to the fibre network build which makes it possible for amazon to put them out of business.

And remember that Sky is JUST a conduit. Sky doesnt pay Rugby heaps of money, its subscribers do. Remember when RWC was on, Olympics were on, Americas Cup was on? How much extra was the Sky sub?

As I always say, if Sky was rorting us, I'd be leading the protest, but they dont.

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#1857355 2-Sep-2017 20:29

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dafman:

quickymart: Speaking of Sky and sport...

http://nzh.tw/11915194

Go Amazon!

Imagine being able to buy one game of rugby, in HD, for a reasonable price. Maybe we won't have to imagine too much longer.

It could make it more expensive as Amazon and Sky try to out bid each other, and for Sky they'll be fighting for their life, so the price could go Sky high with the view the end user will pay for it anyway.
Assuming Rugby viewers will forgo other things before Rugby.

Amazon prime in the US is US$ 8 per month. I reckon we will do fine under Amazon for rugby.

Be good. Same price? Or maybe $9? Maybe they can run all the sport that Sky does for maybe $15 per month?

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#1857356 2-Sep-2017 20:32

tdgeek:

dafman:

rugrat:
dafman:

quickymart: Speaking of Sky and sport...

http://nzh.tw/11915194

Go Amazon!

Imagine being able to buy one game of rugby, in HD, for a reasonable price. Maybe we won't have to imagine too much longer.

It could make it more expensive as Amazon and Sky try to out bid each other, and for Sky they'll be fighting for their life, so the price could go Sky high with the view the end user will pay for it anyway.
Assuming Rugby viewers will forgo other things before Rugby.

Amazon prime in the US is US$ 8 per month. I reckon we will do fine under Amazon for rugby.

Be good. Same price? Or maybe $9? Maybe they can run all the sport that Sky does for maybe $15 per month?

Who broadcasts the game?

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#1857357 2-Sep-2017 20:32

old3eyes: Just as a matter of interest does Sky own the OB gear for covering sports matches or is it contracted to another company. If Amazon got the Rugby then they would have find someone to cover these games.

OB?

I think Sky does the commentary and shows if thats what you mean? Thats IMHO a good added value. I see some who get dodgy streams in SD, and foreign commentary, I couldnt do that, the commentary and expert opinion is quite a big deal

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#1857358 2-Sep-2017 20:33

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old3eyes: Just as a matter of interest does Sky own the OB gear for covering sports matches or is it contracted to another company. If Amazon got the Rugby then they would have find someone to cover these games.

Yes, Sky purchased OSB back in 2010.

Which could also mean that Fellet could up the price to cover production for Amazon if they did win the rights.

OSB?

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#1857359 2-Sep-2017 20:40

tdgeek:

sonyxperiageek:
old3eyes: Just as a matter of interest does Sky own the OB gear for covering sports matches or is it contracted to another company. If Amazon got the Rugby then they would have find someone to cover these games.

Yes, Sky purchased OSB back in 2010.

Which could also mean that Fellet could up the price to cover production for Amazon if they did win the rights.

OSB?

http://osb.co.nz/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Television_(New_Zealand)#Purchase_of_Onsite_Broadcasting

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#1857364 2-Sep-2017 21:04

tdgeek:

dafman:

networkn:

Rikkitic:

I think the point here is that Sky has its head up its arse and that is annoying paying customers. It doesn't strike me as a particularly intelligent way of doing business. Oh, right, they are bleeding subscribers. Gee, I wonder what the reason for that can be?

Trolling. You have been watching the rest of the thread you can see the reality is different from the perception and yet you post this disgraceful bit of nonsense.

Are people annoyed? Yes, there are some people. Do they have their heads up their jacksies? Nope, they have a problem that doesn't have an easy or simple solution.

Troll elsewhere.

Seems to be a trend to call anyone with contrary views a troll. Not the case. The post you claim is trolling is entirely appropriate for this thread.

No. Look at the facts, doesnt matter if you hate Sky or dont hate Sky, it matters if you turn a blind eye to reality, and focus on hating Sky.

Sorry, I read it several times, but I don't understand your last post at all.

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#1857383 2-Sep-2017 22:12

dafman:

Sorry, I read it several times, but I don't understand your last post at all.

It's simple. He is saying just because someone with an opposing view to you is called a troll, doesn't make them not a troll. There are a small group in this thread making commentary over and over that contradicts indisputable facts. Sky isn't rorting anyone. They have tiny profit margins, and

anyone who has read what has been written in this thread and is STILL comparing Sky's total offering to Netflix is either trolling or of far below average intelligence.

There are some who can legally obtain their content cheaper because they are happy with a smaller or different subset of the content that Sky offers, but they aren't getting the same thing as the total package Sky offers nor the coverage nor necessarily the same level of convenience (for example Sky can provide coverage in areas SVOD won't work well because of poor Internet speeds.

If you are in the group that finds Netflix (or another service) better value, then hooray for you, unsubscribe.

I have both Sky and Netflix, they offer me different (but admittedly sometimes overlapping) content and benefits.

Anyone still expecting Sky to provide a full service for $50 a month is being wildly silly.

There is no service offering comparable to the full offering of Sky at a cheaper price, nor will there be anytime soon.

This thread should be closed now, everything that should be said has already been said.

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#1857390 2-Sep-2017 22:44

I thought you left. Now you want the thread closed. Maybe you just want to have the last word.

Whether you approve or not, and whether it is justified or not, a lot of people resent Sky, think they overcharge for what they provide, and do not think they offer value for money. Some also think Sky is living in denial, hence the title of this thread. Maybe they are right. Maybe not. But that is what they think. I expressed some of those thoughts somewhat colourfully, but I did not say anything others have not said.

For some people Sky may represent value for money. For many others it clearly doesn't. The argument that those who don't think they are getting a good deal should just shut up and go somewhere else is arrogant BS. Many people still need or want Sky for some things they can only get from Sky. That does not mean they think they are being well-treated by Sky, or that they should cringe in gratitude because Sky so generously allows them to remain subscribers even though 90% of the content is useless to them.

If you think Sky is wonderful that is your good right. If others disagree, that is also their good right. I don't happen to care for Sky or think it represents any kind of value for me at all, but I happen to live with someone who does so I am stuck with it until I can change that person's mind. But I don't like Sky, I don't feel loyal to them because they saved television in the 1990s and I don't think they offer good value today regardless of what they did in the past. That is my viewpoint. You have yours.

If you think that is trolling than I think you just can't cope with dissenting opinion. We have been there before. The world is full of people who think differently than you do. Deal with it.

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#1857411 2-Sep-2017 23:06

networkn:

This thread should be closed now, everything that should be said has already been said.

I really wish people who aren't mods or the forum owner would stop trying to regulate what other users post. And this is coming from someone who finds the anti-Sky brigade more than a bit boring. You don't want any more of this thread? How about you leave and stop telling everyone what should happen?

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