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  Reply # 1861630 10-Sep-2017 06:39
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afe66: If amazon or someone else won the right to rugby here they would have to get up their own outside broadcasting teams. But I wonder how much of a issue that would be.

 

Probably not much actually - it's called contracting out. I think you'll find Sky NZ don't own OSB units in Argentina, Australia, Japan or South Africa. Whether Amazon would want to bother with grass roots rugby would be another matter, but that may actually be a drop in the bucket for them. Come to that, there's not really any reason why they couldn't lease transponder space, unless it's all been brought up.

 

One of the things I do find a little amusing here is how most people have a New Zealand centric point of view over this. When it comes to sports rights for NZ cricket and rugby, Sky NZ are reselling packages overseas. This will be where places like Amazon (and I hear Facebook is now also investigating acquiring sports rights) will have their eyes fixed as this is where the true money will be. I'd also imagine that Amazon have a far greater international reach than Sky NZ, its parent company, and its affiliates.


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  Reply # 1861631 10-Sep-2017 06:41
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tdgeek:

 

zyo: I think the day spark zero rates Netflix and light box on some of their monthly mobile plans. It's going to be a huge hit for sky

 

Strange comment. If you are into NF or LB you should already be zero rated, i.e. Unlimited 

 

Zero rated for broadband connection, not mobile.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1861670 10-Sep-2017 08:53
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Dratsab:

 

tdgeek:

 

zyo: I think the day spark zero rates Netflix and light box on some of their monthly mobile plans. It's going to be a huge hit for sky

 

Strange comment. If you are into NF or LB you should already be zero rated, i.e. Unlimited 

 

Zero rated for broadband connection, not mobile.

 

 

Sorry, my fail.

 

Mobile cannot go unlimited, bandwidth is very finite. This is why if you lived next for to a tower, you may not get Wireless Broadband if the tower has enough subscribers and any more degrades it. 

 

Edit. Zero rated isn't unlimited, but when using those two services it becomes unlimited. 


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  Reply # 1862497 11-Sep-2017 19:52
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I don't have a sky subscription - the only time I see it is the hour or so i spend at the gym on treadmills / exercycles etc.  Every time I see sky on the screens I am thankful I haven't paid them a dime as their coverage is not worth the price and there are ads.

 

They cut up games, they have ad breaks and their coverage they do show is a condensed version normally, not a full game - then they charge more for you to watch a boxing match or big game.

 

We stayed at a camp ground while the house was getting fixed and the kids couldnt stomach the cartoon network as the choice was rubbish. However other services provide better uninteruptted coverage and surprisingly dont charge as much.

 

I for one wouldn't pay for tv where there are as many breaks in action as I see in skye. if they actually gave uninterrupted coverage I would be more keen.

 

 





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  Reply # 1862500 11-Sep-2017 20:01
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Good example of fail yesterday.

 

We had kiwis running in the UCI mountainbiking in Cairns. Sky did a deal for the rights, you know what that means.. redbulltv geoblocked. Months of them running overseas and free streaming on RBTV and no interest or locking up. But locked up this since it was right next door and had even more kiwis running.

 

What do they do? Run NASCAR live on the same popup channel where the prize giving and speeches with the fresh drink bottle and hat thrown on the drivers etc is shown running over time WHILE our kiwi (based) female is doing her run

 

And when the transmission is finally over on nascar cut straight to the aus feed with the 8th or 9th run on the bikes already done.

 

 


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  Reply # 1862771 12-Sep-2017 12:59
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If Amazon do decided to get all excited about NZ rugby there are a couple of other thoughts...

 

Matches could be shown streaming in 4K, Amazon were keen to showcase The Grand Tour in 4k, so it could happen here..

 

Apple have reached an agreement to supply its Amazon TV app on the Apple TV 4 this year, which could at the very least stream in 1080p for the Kiwi's who have an Apple TV for their on demand content.

 

I wonder if Amazon will team up with an ISP here and offer their TV service thrown in as part of a monthly broadband package - Im thinking something like the relationship between Spark and Netflix.

 

If my monthly broadband included Lightbox, Netflix AND Amazon as part of the monthly subs, this would be pretty awesome and we Kiwi's will start getting some value for money when compared to Sky's mediocre offering.  Good times to be a media subscriber in NZ, the landscape looks like its going to shift....

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1862783 12-Sep-2017 13:17
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DickDastardly:

 

If Amazon do decided to get all excited about NZ rugby there are a couple of other thoughts...

 

Matches could be shown streaming in 4K, Amazon were keen to showcase The Grand Tour in 4k, so it could happen here..

 

Apple have reached an agreement to supply its Amazon TV app on the Apple TV 4 this year, which could at the very least stream in 1080p for the Kiwi's who have an Apple TV for their on demand content.

 

I wonder if Amazon will team up with an ISP here and offer their TV service thrown in as part of a monthly broadband package - Im thinking something like the relationship between Spark and Netflix.

 

If my monthly broadband included Lightbox, Netflix AND Amazon as part of the monthly subs, this would be pretty awesome and we Kiwi's will start getting some value for money when compared to Sky's mediocre offering.  Good times to be a media subscriber in NZ, the landscape looks like its going to shift....

 

 

 

 

 

 

What would Amazon Rugby cost?


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  Reply # 1862813 12-Sep-2017 13:46
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tdgeek:

 

DickDastardly:

 

If Amazon do decided to get all excited about NZ rugby there are a couple of other thoughts...

 

Matches could be shown streaming in 4K, Amazon were keen to showcase The Grand Tour in 4k, so it could happen here..

 

Apple have reached an agreement to supply its Amazon TV app on the Apple TV 4 this year, which could at the very least stream in 1080p for the Kiwi's who have an Apple TV for their on demand content.

 

I wonder if Amazon will team up with an ISP here and offer their TV service thrown in as part of a monthly broadband package - Im thinking something like the relationship between Spark and Netflix.

 

If my monthly broadband included Lightbox, Netflix AND Amazon as part of the monthly subs, this would be pretty awesome and we Kiwi's will start getting some value for money when compared to Sky's mediocre offering.  Good times to be a media subscriber in NZ, the landscape looks like its going to shift....

 

 

 

 

 

 

What would Amazon Rugby cost?

 

 

In the UK Amazon Prime costs GBP8/mth.   And you add channel packs on top as you choose.  Generally gbp2/mth to GBP10/mth.  Eurosport is offered at GBP7/mth - for what is largely non-exclusive content (its a Discovery owned sports channel).  

 

Recall EPL was offered at $200/year.  BeIn offers its EPL streaming package at $20/mth or $200/year  PGAGolf was somewhat the same.  

 

Seems to be a reasonable line in the sand for the lesser sports.  What would an exclusive offeror (assuming that is what Amazon bids for) of the premiere sport in NZ demand?  Remember that Sky offered the $300/season fanpass offering for Rugby a few years ago - add in some sports rights inflation......

 

And would it separate out All Blacks tests vs Super16/17/18?  Think about how much entertainment value you perceive of a fight between Mayweather/McGregor compared with an AllBlacks vs Wallabies test?  Is it conceivable to charge $15 to watch a test?  Or $30 (like a UFC PPV) or $40 (Mayweather/McGregor) or $80 (as per the Parker bout?).

 

 


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  Reply # 1862819 12-Sep-2017 13:54
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On thing that could happen is online streaming rights be sold to one player and the Pay TV / FTA rights be sold to a different company. This is common in Australia with the AFL (Seven FTA, Fox Footy Pay TV, Telstra online), NRL (Nine, Fox League, Telstra) and domestic cricket (Nine/Ten/ABC, no PayTV, cricket.com.au).


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  Reply # 1862849 12-Sep-2017 14:25
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stinger:

 

On thing that could happen is online streaming rights be sold to one player and the Pay TV / FTA rights be sold to a different company. This is common in Australia with the AFL (Seven FTA, Fox Footy Pay TV, Telstra online), NRL (Nine, Fox League, Telstra) and domestic cricket (Nine/Ten/ABC, no PayTV, cricket.com.au).

 

 

NRL is a good example.  Telstra bought the exclusive digital rights..... and then NewsCorp rewrote the deal with the NRL to ensure that FoxSports got the best deal (and ousting the NRL CEO or chairman in the process) and rejoining the free-pay-digital rights into a big package rather than sold separately.  Telstra retained the digital rights but lost some exclusivity to Nine.  And the Nine $925m FTA deal got canned but Nine got a good TV deal (and $300m cheaper).....

 

 

 

Or how about last weeks IPL deal?  14 bids across 7 different packages (Facebook was one bidder in the online space but Amazon (although registering) didnt even put in a bid)..... and the sum of the highest bidders in each category was less than the winner who did a whole package bid.  Gonna guess who??  Yep.  The man knows the value of sports rights.


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The fact the Sky has ads was a significant factor in my decision to stop subscribing.

 

On discovery and history channels, the ads made programs un-watchable for me.  Now keep in mind those ads were for other sky programming, they weren't ads sky were being paid for.

 

I don't expect to pay a subscription and watch ads.  (exception for breaks in play during sport).





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  Reply # 1862961 12-Sep-2017 17:10
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The fact the Sky has ads was a significant factor in my decision to stop subscribing.

 

On discovery and history channels, the ads made programs un-watchable for me.  Now keep in mind those ads were for other sky programming, they weren't ads sky were being paid for.

 

I don't expect to pay a subscription and watch ads.  (exception for breaks in play during sport).

 

 

 

 

nahhh.  50c a day to be able to skip ads - totally worth it.  such a triviality.  


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  Reply # 1863032 12-Sep-2017 20:06
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MikeAqua:

 

The fact the Sky has ads was a significant factor in my decision to stop subscribing.

 

On discovery and history channels, the ads made programs un-watchable for me.  Now keep in mind those ads were for other sky programming, they weren't ads sky were being paid for.

 

I don't expect to pay a subscription and watch ads.  (exception for breaks in play during sport).

 

 

Just a curiosity....  if you watched the content from Discovery and History using SkyOnDemand does it have the ads embedded in the program?  I know that television episodes (either boxset or catchup) dont, but just wondered if the factual content from Sky's program suppliers did? 


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  Reply # 1863194 13-Sep-2017 08:41
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MikeAqua:

 

The fact the Sky has ads was a significant factor in my decision to stop subscribing.

 

On discovery and history channels, the ads made programs un-watchable for me.  Now keep in mind those ads were for other sky programming, they weren't ads sky were being paid for.

 

I don't expect to pay a subscription and watch ads.  (exception for breaks in play during sport).

 

 

Don't these programs come via Foxtel in AU??  I seem to remember seeing in the past  the occasional start or finish of an Ozzy add during the commercial breaks when Sky is a bit slow..





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  Reply # 1863259 13-Sep-2017 09:21
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old3eyes:

 

Don't these programs come via Foxtel in AU??  I seem to remember seeing in the past  the occasional start or finish of an Ozzy add during the commercial breaks when Sky is a bit slow..

 

 

Sky provides programming for Prime, Box, Vice, Box Sets, Living, Food, Sky Arts, SoHo Movies (except TCM and Rialto), Sky Sports 1-4 + popup and Main Event. All others channels are programmed by companies other than Sky TV, and thus Sky don't control the amount of advertising they show.

 

A lot of the other channels (like Discovery, Nat Geo, and the kids channels) have programming in both countries (where the Australian broadcast is delayed by two hours). Crime Investigation is unique in that between midnight and 6am, they show Foxtel advertising. I haven't noticed this on other channels.


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