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7616 posts

Uber Geek

#1863299 13-Sep-2017 09:41

stinger:

old3eyes:

Don't these programs come via Foxtel in AU?? I seem to remember seeing in the past the occasional start or finish of an Ozzy add during the commercial breaks when Sky is a bit slow..

Sky provides programming for Prime, Box, Vice, Box Sets, Living, Food, Sky Arts, SoHo Movies (except TCM and Rialto), Sky Sports 1-4 + popup and Main Event. All others channels are programmed by companies other than Sky TV, and thus Sky don't control the amount of advertising they show.

A lot of the other channels (like Discovery, Nat Geo, and the kids channels) have programming in both countries (where the Australian broadcast is delayed by two hours). Crime Investigation is unique in that between midnight and 6am, they show Foxtel advertising. I haven't noticed this on other channels.

From a consumer point of view it doesn't really matter who controls the advertising content

It's still advertising within a paid-subscription service. Ironically, it drove me away from the very channels it was trying to promote.

Mike

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DickDastardly

227 posts

Master Geek

#1864397 13-Sep-2017 11:37

DickDastardly:

If Amazon do decided to get all excited about NZ rugby there are a couple of other thoughts...

Matches could be shown streaming in 4K, Amazon were keen to showcase The Grand Tour in 4k, so it could happen here..

Apple have reached an agreement to supply its Amazon TV app on the Apple TV 4 this year, which could at the very least stream in 1080p for the Kiwi's who have an Apple TV for their on demand content.

I wonder if Amazon will team up with an ISP here and offer their TV service thrown in as part of a monthly broadband package - Im thinking something like the relationship between Spark and Netflix.

If my monthly broadband included Lightbox, Netflix AND Amazon as part of the monthly subs, this would be pretty awesome and we Kiwi's will start getting some value for money when compared to Sky's mediocre offering. Good times to be a media subscriber in NZ, the landscape looks like its going to shift....

Interesting...at the overnight launch of all the new Apple hardware, there is apparently a new Apple TV which will stream in 4k, so when Amazon launches on the Apple TV, their content would be 4k - this is another possibility for rugby viewings in the future.

Its telling that so many people are (if they can) going for unlimited fibre. 100 mb fibre kinda seems the norm now!

I don't want no sugar in it - thank you very much

Pumpedd

1759 posts

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#1864436 13-Sep-2017 12:20

DickDastardly:

DickDastardly:

If Amazon do decided to get all excited about NZ rugby there are a couple of other thoughts...

Matches could be shown streaming in 4K, Amazon were keen to showcase The Grand Tour in 4k, so it could happen here..

Apple have reached an agreement to supply its Amazon TV app on the Apple TV 4 this year, which could at the very least stream in 1080p for the Kiwi's who have an Apple TV for their on demand content.

I wonder if Amazon will team up with an ISP here and offer their TV service thrown in as part of a monthly broadband package - Im thinking something like the relationship between Spark and Netflix.

If my monthly broadband included Lightbox, Netflix AND Amazon as part of the monthly subs, this would be pretty awesome and we Kiwi's will start getting some value for money when compared to Sky's mediocre offering. Good times to be a media subscriber in NZ, the landscape looks like its going to shift....

Interesting...at the overnight launch of all the new Apple hardware, there is apparently a new Apple TV which will stream in 4k, so when Amazon launches on the Apple TV, their content would be 4k - this is another possibility for rugby viewings in the future.

Its telling that so many people are (if they can) going for unlimited fibre. 100 mb fibre kinda seems the norm now!

Is anyone signalling an intent to capture rugby in 4k?

DickDastardly

227 posts

Master Geek

#1864441 13-Sep-2017 12:26

Pumpedd:

DickDastardly:

DickDastardly:

If Amazon do decided to get all excited about NZ rugby there are a couple of other thoughts...

Matches could be shown streaming in 4K, Amazon were keen to showcase The Grand Tour in 4k, so it could happen here..

Apple have reached an agreement to supply its Amazon TV app on the Apple TV 4 this year, which could at the very least stream in 1080p for the Kiwi's who have an Apple TV for their on demand content.

I wonder if Amazon will team up with an ISP here and offer their TV service thrown in as part of a monthly broadband package - Im thinking something like the relationship between Spark and Netflix.

If my monthly broadband included Lightbox, Netflix AND Amazon as part of the monthly subs, this would be pretty awesome and we Kiwi's will start getting some value for money when compared to Sky's mediocre offering. Good times to be a media subscriber in NZ, the landscape looks like its going to shift....

Interesting...at the overnight launch of all the new Apple hardware, there is apparently a new Apple TV which will stream in 4k, so when Amazon launches on the Apple TV, their content would be 4k - this is another possibility for rugby viewings in the future.

Its telling that so many people are (if they can) going for unlimited fibre. 100 mb fibre kinda seems the norm now!

Is anyone signalling an intent to capture rugby in 4k?

If Amazon wipe out Sky and take the reigns of showing the All Blacks, they regularly stream 4K stuff such as The Grand Tour, why wouldn't they want to? It may come at a premium to their existing subscription service, but its likely to be no-where near the level Sky charge....

I don't want no sugar in it - thank you very much

Benoire

2630 posts

Uber Geek

#1864443 13-Sep-2017 12:28

Is the current OSB capable of 4K recording? Sky could have created/evolved their OSB based on their needs which is currently 1080p max and may not have invested in the camera and other equipment for 4K as their sat distribution is limited to 1080p.... If Amazon want to stream in true 4K and not upscaled then they would have to either ensure that the OSB is using 4K or setup a 4K OSB themselves.

MikeAqua

7616 posts

Uber Geek

#1864447 13-Sep-2017 12:39

Is broadcasting live in 4K more of an undertaking than recording something for broadcast at a later date?

Personally I don't need to see rugby in 4K, 1080 is good enough.

Mike

Benoire

2630 posts

Uber Geek

#1864467 13-Sep-2017 13:05

It requires different, more expensive camera setup, probably more uplink bandwidth as 4K requires far more than 1080p, although H.265 will make it closer, probably more powerful processing equipment as there are more pixels to process... So yes, by how much I can't say!

Benoire

2630 posts

Uber Geek

#1864468 13-Sep-2017 13:06

This is of course assuming that the OSB isn't already at 4K, but I would say that is unlikely at this stage given how wide spread the 4K adoption in NZ has been.

ockel

1949 posts

Uber Geek

#1864632 13-Sep-2017 17:04

DickDastardly:

If Amazon do decided to get all excited about NZ rugby there are a couple of other thoughts...

Matches could be shown streaming in 4K, Amazon were keen to showcase The Grand Tour in 4k, so it could happen here..

Apple have reached an agreement to supply its Amazon TV app on the Apple TV 4 this year, which could at the very least stream in 1080p for the Kiwi's who have an Apple TV for their on demand content.

I wonder if Amazon will team up with an ISP here and offer their TV service thrown in as part of a monthly broadband package - Im thinking something like the relationship between Spark and Netflix.

If my monthly broadband included Lightbox, Netflix AND Amazon as part of the monthly subs, this would be pretty awesome and we Kiwi's will start getting some value for money when compared to Sky's mediocre offering. Good times to be a media subscriber in NZ, the landscape looks like its going to shift....

Hahahaha. NBR are reporting that the FanPass problems during the All Blacks test last Saturday night were.... due to an Amazon fault. Can you imagine buffering an pixelation of a 4K picture during an important match???

BTW, the satellite picture was flawless. Looked good in HD too.

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ockel

1949 posts

Uber Geek

#1864636 13-Sep-2017 17:08

Benoire:

This is of course assuming that the OSB isn't already at 4K, but I would say that is unlikely at this stage given how wide spread the 4K adoption in NZ has been.

osb.co.nz lists its capabilities on each of its trucks. I guess you'd have to know your tech specs to work out if the OB units are 4K capable. Cameras wouldnt be I guess? What would 20 4K cameras for each truck cost? Hate to think but a drop in the bucket if it costs $60m pa for the NZ rugby rights alone (Forsyth Barrs estimates in the weekend herald?).

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mudguard

1726 posts

Uber Geek

#1864637 13-Sep-2017 17:11

Isn't the F1 shot in UHD (4k?), though we don't see it here.

Oblivian

6946 posts

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ID Verified

#1864641 13-Sep-2017 17:28

mudguard: Isn't the F1 shot in UHD (4k?), though we don't see it here.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10500323/124-premier-league-games-live-in-ultra-hd-with-sky-q-silver

Benoire

2630 posts

Uber Geek

#1864642 13-Sep-2017 17:30

mudguard: Isn't the F1 shot in UHD (4k?), though we don't see it here.

Yes it is, although I doubt we could get UHD yet as it would probably require leasing more transponders as you can only run a few UHD per transponders due to bandwidth.

For the Rugby I was referring to Skys OSB as that is locally produced.

ockel

1949 posts

Uber Geek

#1864650 13-Sep-2017 17:53

Oblivian:

mudguard: Isn't the F1 shot in UHD (4k?), though we don't see it here.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10500323/124-premier-league-games-live-in-ultra-hd-with-sky-q-silver

Interesting aside. What do you think of Sky UK's change to its sport channels? So big basic (GBP22/mth for 270 channels) and then 1 sport for GBP18/mth (2 sports for GBP22, 3 sports for GBP26, all for GBP27.50).

BTW Not in HD - you need the box sets package to be allowed to pay the GBP6/mth for HD (all up GBP55/mth for 1 HD channel of sport). And not UHD - you guessed it, time to pay more per month for that functionality.....

Sixth Labour Government - "Vision without Execution is just Hallucination"

JimmyH

2820 posts

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#1864666 13-Sep-2017 18:27

ockel:

nahhh. 50c a day to be able to skip ads - totally worth it. such a triviality.

By which I assume you mean paying the $15 a month to have recording enabled, so you can record shows and forward through the ads. In which case, while it makes things better in some cases, it doesn't actually fix the problem:

paying extra, to make a service that I am already paying handsomely to get actually watchable, leaves a bad taste in my mouth
it fails completely if channel surfing or watching a live feed, when by definition it doesn't work
it still jarringly interrupts abd breaks the flow of what is being watched.

So, no, your "solution" is only partial at best.

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