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#1919970 15-Dec-2017 07:49

I probably should have created a new thread, but there are plenty of Sky/Streaming interested people here

In short Disney buying most or all of Fox, to compete with Netflix undercutting the pay media industry. Disney will have Hulu, and while they want to retain the traditional subscription model which NF undercuts, they will be offering SVOD for ESPN and lots of other stuff. Pulling their content from Netflix also. As this sale brings together two of the big Hollywood players, you could expect Hulu to hold more content than NF. They also will have European Sky amongst many other bits and pieces.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/media/disney-fox-deal/index.html

It seems the race to the bottom is over

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#1919984 15-Dec-2017 08:21

tdgeek:

I probably should have created a new thread, but there are plenty of Sky/Streaming interested people here

In short Disney buying most or all of Fox, to compete with Netflix undercutting the pay media industry. Disney will have Hulu, and while they want to retain the traditional subscription model which NF undercuts, they will be offering SVOD for ESPN and lots of other stuff. Pulling their content from Netflix also. As this sale brings together two of the big Hollywood players, you could expect Hulu to hold more content than NF. They also will have European Sky amongst many other bits and pieces.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/media/disney-fox-deal/index.html

It seems the race to the bottom is over

I laughed when I thought of all the irrational anti-Murdoch people who have to exclude any Disney franchises (and Star Wars, Marvel etc) from their association list.

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#1919990 15-Dec-2017 08:35

ockel:

tdgeek:

I probably should have created a new thread, but there are plenty of Sky/Streaming interested people here

In short Disney buying most or all of Fox, to compete with Netflix undercutting the pay media industry. Disney will have Hulu, and while they want to retain the traditional subscription model which NF undercuts, they will be offering SVOD for ESPN and lots of other stuff. Pulling their content from Netflix also. As this sale brings together two of the big Hollywood players, you could expect Hulu to hold more content than NF. They also will have European Sky amongst many other bits and pieces.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/media/disney-fox-deal/index.html

It seems the race to the bottom is over

I laughed when I thought of all the irrational anti-Murdoch people who have to exclude any Disney franchises (and Star Wars, Marvel etc) from their association list.

Lol, yep.

Whats your opinion on this? Seems to me that the cheap as chips services just cannot provide acceptable revenue. I can see Hulu getting better, and charging more. Netflix losing content which makes users want to pay less. Maybe Hulu is a $25 service, NF is a $15 service, Amazon $15 maybe, need to add sport somewhere too. If you want the fragmented content in one place, you may need to have a few subs, and the $ is now getting back up there

I believe Sky NZ is totally unrelated to Sky elsewhere, apart from branding, maybe they might call Walt, and ask can we join? Then they can get access to a lot of content in some form or other

End of the day, all this is just one more step in the transition of the media model, but whatever model is in play, it needs to be paid.

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#1920011 15-Dec-2017 09:22

tdgeek:

ockel:

tdgeek:

I probably should have created a new thread, but there are plenty of Sky/Streaming interested people here

In short Disney buying most or all of Fox, to compete with Netflix undercutting the pay media industry. Disney will have Hulu, and while they want to retain the traditional subscription model which NF undercuts, they will be offering SVOD for ESPN and lots of other stuff. Pulling their content from Netflix also. As this sale brings together two of the big Hollywood players, you could expect Hulu to hold more content than NF. They also will have European Sky amongst many other bits and pieces.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/media/disney-fox-deal/index.html

It seems the race to the bottom is over

I laughed when I thought of all the irrational anti-Murdoch people who have to exclude any Disney franchises (and Star Wars, Marvel etc) from their association list.

Lol, yep.

Whats your opinion on this? Seems to me that the cheap as chips services just cannot provide acceptable revenue. I can see Hulu getting better, and charging more. Netflix losing content which makes users want to pay less. Maybe Hulu is a $25 service, NF is a $15 service, Amazon $15 maybe, need to add sport somewhere too. If you want the fragmented content in one place, you may need to have a few subs, and the $ is now getting back up there

I believe Sky NZ is totally unrelated to Sky elsewhere, apart from branding, maybe they might call Walt, and ask can we join? Then they can get access to a lot of content in some form or other

End of the day, all this is just one more step in the transition of the media model, but whatever model is in play, it needs to be paid.

Its just another consolidation in an industry littered with mergers and acquisitions. Its totally unrelated to Sky - Sky UK has been partially Murdoch owned for years. But it will trigger a Foxtel event I think giving Telstra the opportunity to buy the balance it doesnt own. But no impact here.

Sky buys content from ABC-Disney and Fox. TVNZ buys content from ABC-Disney and Fox. Lightbox and Netflix buys content from ABC-Disney and Fox.

I can see Netflix library getting smaller with the exit of Disney at the end of the year and probably a lesser inclination from Fox to supply.

Hulu will beef up, Disney will launch its sport streaming next year. Disney already streams direct to consumer in the UK (but hasnt launched this elsewhere) maybe Hulu will go global like CBS All Access is in other markets. I cant see why Disney would buy Sky NZ - it adds nothing to a global portfolio. Besides if Vodafone (an unrelated company) cant buy Sky NZ then there is no way on gods green earth that the ComCom would allow Disney (another media company) to buy Sky. Recall that the reason VodaSky got rebuffed was due to sports rights and an absence of competition (hahahaha - TVNZ, Spark, Amazon - hahahhahaha). Wood ducks.

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#1920026 15-Dec-2017 09:39

tdgeek:

Whats your opinion on this? Seems to me that the cheap as chips services just cannot provide acceptable revenue. I can see Hulu getting better, and charging more. Netflix losing content which makes users want to pay less. Maybe Hulu is a $25 service, NF is a $15 service, Amazon $15 maybe, need to add sport somewhere too. If you want the fragmented content in one place, you may need to have a few subs, and the $ is now getting back up there

If it all becomes too fragmented, with too many differnet 'players' , the whole model will fail.
I cant see the public being willing to sign up & pay for 3,4,5,6 different content providers.

Hulu, Netflix, AmazonPrime ,Google Red etc . Really .
it will get to the point of going , "ah stuff it' Im not signing up to all those for the 2 programs on each that are of interest"

This may end up in Skys favor, if NF gets even more marginalized , with even less content available to NZ

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#1920038 15-Dec-2017 09:53

1101:

tdgeek:

Whats your opinion on this? Seems to me that the cheap as chips services just cannot provide acceptable revenue. I can see Hulu getting better, and charging more. Netflix losing content which makes users want to pay less. Maybe Hulu is a $25 service, NF is a $15 service, Amazon $15 maybe, need to add sport somewhere too. If you want the fragmented content in one place, you may need to have a few subs, and the $ is now getting back up there

If it all becomes too fragmented, with too many differnet 'players' , the whole model will fail.
I cant see the public being willing to sign up & pay for 3,4,5,6 different content providers.

Hulu, Netflix, AmazonPrime ,Google Red etc . Really .
it will get to the point of going , "ah stuff it' Im not signing up to all those for the 2 programs on each that are of interest"

This may end up in Skys favor, if NF gets even more marginalized , with even less content available to NZ

Ironically, the issue began with Skys one box model was out of date, so we get SVOD to get with the times. People complain that Sky is too expensive, but OTOH, SVOD at $15 is too cheap, it cannot sustain. So it may well be that the competition as Sky is a rorter, ends up with multlple subs and probably a not that cheap price overall

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#1920040 15-Dec-2017 09:56

ockel:

Its just another consolidation in an industry littered with mergers and acquisitions. Its totally unrelated to Sky - Sky UK has been partially Murdoch owned for years. But it will trigger a Foxtel event I think giving Telstra the opportunity to buy the balance it doesnt own. But no impact here.

Sky buys content from ABC-Disney and Fox. TVNZ buys content from ABC-Disney and Fox. Lightbox and Netflix buys content from ABC-Disney and Fox.

I can see Netflix library getting smaller with the exit of Disney at the end of the year and probably a lesser inclination from Fox to supply.

Hulu will beef up, Disney will launch its sport streaming next year. Disney already streams direct to consumer in the UK (but hasnt launched this elsewhere) maybe Hulu will go global like CBS All Access is in other markets. I cant see why Disney would buy Sky NZ - it adds nothing to a global portfolio. Besides if Vodafone (an unrelated company) cant buy Sky NZ then there is no way on gods green earth that the ComCom would allow Disney (another media company) to buy Sky. Recall that the reason VodaSky got rebuffed was due to sports rights and an absence of competition (hahahaha - TVNZ, Spark, Amazon - hahahhahaha). Wood ducks.

I wasnt meaning buying Sky, but Sky NZ asking to buy content from the new Disney business, A) cos its big, B) cos NF will lose content all this allowing Sky to remain more relevant. As for sports, maybe a bit more of that too?

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#1920048 15-Dec-2017 10:10

tdgeek:

ockel:

Its just another consolidation in an industry littered with mergers and acquisitions. Its totally unrelated to Sky - Sky UK has been partially Murdoch owned for years. But it will trigger a Foxtel event I think giving Telstra the opportunity to buy the balance it doesnt own. But no impact here.

Sky buys content from ABC-Disney and Fox. TVNZ buys content from ABC-Disney and Fox. Lightbox and Netflix buys content from ABC-Disney and Fox.

I can see Netflix library getting smaller with the exit of Disney at the end of the year and probably a lesser inclination from Fox to supply.

Hulu will beef up, Disney will launch its sport streaming next year. Disney already streams direct to consumer in the UK (but hasnt launched this elsewhere) maybe Hulu will go global like CBS All Access is in other markets. I cant see why Disney would buy Sky NZ - it adds nothing to a global portfolio. Besides if Vodafone (an unrelated company) cant buy Sky NZ then there is no way on gods green earth that the ComCom would allow Disney (another media company) to buy Sky. Recall that the reason VodaSky got rebuffed was due to sports rights and an absence of competition (hahahaha - TVNZ, Spark, Amazon - hahahhahaha). Wood ducks.

I wasnt meaning buying Sky, but Sky NZ asking to buy content from the new Disney business, A) cos its big, B) cos NF will lose content all this allowing Sky to remain more relevant. As for sports, maybe a bit more of that too?

Already does buy from Disney (ESPN (sports), Disney movies, Disney channels, there is even a Disney Movie channel!) and from Fox (just concluded an exclusive with FX, I think stuff like ice hockey is from the Fox affliated channels).

So I dont think any meaningful change in the short-medium term. Long term, who knows, 5 years is a long time in the media industry.

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#1920316 15-Dec-2017 18:17

1101:

This may end up in Skys favor, if NF gets even more marginalized , with even less content available to NZ

Possibly. But for many I suspect that if content isn't easily and cheaply available legitimately, then it may tip the balance back towards piracy for many*. Affordable and usable streaming services (Spotify, Netflix, Lightbox etc) have probably done more to curb piracy than any of the anti-piracy moves the content industries have made, and I understand that the volume of torrent traffic has plunged. This sort of nonsense could reverse this trend in NZ.

(*) And before people climb into me, I am NOT advocating piracy. I am making an observation on the possible impact of streaming services becoming less comprehensive, affordable and/or convenient.

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#1926398 29-Dec-2017 00:17

Noticed a few Kodi articles in the last few days that just realised and backing the Brittish Government that has laid down the law on these streaming boxes that sparked this, and the other law suit threads that then went off another direction.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/illicit-streaming-devices/illicit-streaming-devices

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#1926400 29-Dec-2017 03:33

This is old news. Similar measures have been enacted in Europe. The dinosaurs are still trying to close the door after the horse has bolted.

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#1926401 29-Dec-2017 03:33

This is old news. Similar measures have been enacted in Europe. The dinosaurs are still trying to close the door after the horse has bolted.

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#1926459 29-Dec-2017 08:31

Oblivian:

Noticed a few Kodi articles in the last few days that just realised and backing the Brittish Government that has laid down the law on these streaming boxes that sparked this, and the other law suit threads that then went off another direction.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/illicit-streaming-devices/illicit-streaming-devices

Talk about twisted Logic. Following the Logic of that article any home PC, Laptop, iPad etc using an Internet Browser becomes an ISD because any Browser allows access to Illicit Streaming and Pirate Sites unless they become blocked by an ISP. Ergo any PC or Laptop etc is an Illicit Streaming Device if it has Internet Browser Software installed. IMHO any streaming device is never an ISD. Nor is the software itself illicit. It is only illicit to use the software for streaming from illicit sites. Kodi itself is legitimate software and does not allow access to Illicit Streaming. It's only 3rd part add-ons that allow the access.

If Governments really want to stop people viewing Illicit Streaming then they need to shut down the sites that are delivering the content. Good luck with trying to do that. If they get shut down shut down they'll just pop up somewhere else.

The horse has well and truly bolted and taken the stable door with it.

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#1926467 29-Dec-2017 09:14

You're right. Completely clueless, or "I want to satisfy media giants, by appearing to do something."

I guess I'll remove my O/S from my PC, and leave it turned off, because otherwise it's an Illegal streaming device.

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#1926472 29-Dec-2017 09:24

Every time there has been a 'crackdown' on piracy, a new form has emerged. When people are finally given access to all the content they want for a fair and reasonable price, without silly artificial barriers like geoblocking, piracy will cease to be a problem.

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