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#1926491 29-Dec-2017 10:37

I don't think piracy is much of an issue anymore. There is no need to buy music, let alone pirating it. Movies are everywhere, cheap. Seems very much like high hanging fruit to me, probably just a scare tactic for newbies

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#1926492 29-Dec-2017 10:37

Rikkitic:

Every time there has been a 'crackdown' on piracy, a new form has emerged. When people are finally given access to all the content they want for a fair and reasonable price, without silly artificial barriers like geoblocking, piracy will cease to be a problem.

Agree with that 100%. By and large the music industry now vs movie/video industry stuck in a time warp.

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#1926493 29-Dec-2017 10:45

allan:

Rikkitic:

Every time there has been a 'crackdown' on piracy, a new form has emerged. When people are finally given access to all the content they want for a fair and reasonable price, without silly artificial barriers like geoblocking, piracy will cease to be a problem.

Agree with that 100%. By and large the music industry now vs movie/video industry stuck in a time warp.

Movies are different to music. You wont see a Movie Spotify anytime. It generates very little revenue. Its probably more viable to do away with Netflix, Hulu etc and allow subscribers to join the movie producers on a Netflix style subscription for all the content they own, except new releases which will be at movie ticket price with a discount. That would also probably finish off theatres as well

If you excluded the ticket clippers in between the owner and the viewer, geo locking becomes irrelevant as there are no regions with rights agreements, as there is no one in the industry involved except the viewer and the owner.

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#1926528 29-Dec-2017 12:39

Cable companies world wide are always blaming someone

it couldnt be them.. like over priced.. loaded with promos and annoyances

maybe time to change their model.. 10 cent views instead of monthly expensive subs

I like the idea of previews thumbs playing as you scroll through.. and when you think found something to watch

click watch button.. then you get charged for the watch like 10 cents

I would never buy sky but parents do for sport.. most of it is rubbish apart fromt he old docu or movie

I think though all media need a shake up... it needs to be like youtube. but utube need to mbedded front ads

on video so adblocker wont work .then put up all shows on a youtube idea server so all in world can watch same time

they can pay $10 a month for ad free and the others watch ads to pay for their watch

so simple !

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#1926530 29-Dec-2017 12:55

kiwigeek1:

Cable companies world wide are always blaming someone

it couldnt be them.. like over priced.. loaded with promos and annoyances

maybe time to change their model.. 10 cent views instead of monthly expensive subs

I like the idea of previews thumbs playing as you scroll through.. and when you think found something to watch

click watch button.. then you get charged for the watch like 10 cents

I would never buy sky but parents do for sport.. most of it is rubbish apart fromt he old docu or movie

I think though all media need a shake up... it needs to be like youtube. but utube need to mbedded front ads

on video so adblocker wont work .then put up all shows on a youtube idea server so all in world can watch same time

they can pay $10 a month for ad free and the others watch ads to pay for their watch

so simple !

All your opinions. Not simple. Unless all movies cost $200 to make. Give $50 to the lead actor and done. Simple

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#1926533 29-Dec-2017 13:08

LOL come on mate get really.. advertisers pay good money to be on a front ad

$10 a month is no different then netflix... for ad free.. take USA of 300m people... if only 100 million watched shows

a month thats 200,000,000 x $10 per month coming in .. 2b a month or 24b a year.. multiply by all the countres in the world.. we are talking trillions..

more then enough alone to pay the greedy actors and makers

remember people are alreayd paying $100 for the data unlimited via fiber from telecoms on top

maybe they need reduce that costs as well and lump in the free ad free membership for shows

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#1926537 29-Dec-2017 13:16

kiwigeek1:

LOL come on mate get really.. advertisers pay good money to be on a front ad

$10 a month is no different then netflix... for ad free.. take USA of 300m people... if only 100 million watched shows

a month thats 200,000,000 x $10 per month coming in .. 2b a month or 24b a year.. multiply by all the countres in the world.. we are talking trillions..

more then enough alone to pay the greedy actors and makers

remember people are alreayd paying $100 for the data unlimited via fiber from telecoms on top

maybe they need reduce that costs as well and lump in the free ad free membership for shows

I think you need to get real with your math

You quote 100M, then you calc 200M

100M Americans is basically 100% of all adults. I dont see a husband and wife and 21yo son each paying for NF in the one house, and then deduct all those who are not interested in NF. Not everyone is a movie or TV series fiend. There are also a huge number of countries where NF is not available or they are dirt poor.

Ads can be expensive but you can only play one ad at a time, so its chicken feed. Then we get the ad hate argument

But your point is that makers and actors are greedy, so that sums up your post nicely.

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#1926540 29-Dec-2017 13:24

you are either part of the solution or the problem.. seems you might be someone working in media thats part of the problem or out of touch whats happening in the world of media now

adapt or go bust

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#1926546 29-Dec-2017 13:34

kiwigeek1:

you are either part of the solution or the problem.. seems you might be someone working in media thats part of the problem or out of touch whats happening in the world of media now

adapt or go bust

Lol. Whether you like it or not, to make movies they expect to make money. No, I dont work in the media, I just have an understanding of the economics of life, I dont subscribe to the I want everything for free brigade. I am very sure that these media magnates make too much money, but your solution is so far left its not funny. I posted my opinion of a solution above, remove all the middle men, subscribe to only the owners

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#1926559 29-Dec-2017 14:06

I think piracy is still a huge issue. Sure, many pirates will have shifted to legitimate services, but with the advent of illegal streaming sites it's now far more accessible. You used to have to download torrent software, download your viewing choice in advance, and wait ages for it to download. Everything is now instant and there are no barriers to entry. Anyone, regardless of their knowledge, can access pirated content just by following a link. So as much as there's been a shift to legitimate services, there's also a whole new group of people getting involved in piracy. I don't pirate content, but pretty much everyone I know uses streaming sites and talks of it very casually.

You can attack Sky all you want for their failure to adapt, but you can't deny the impact it's having on their business. As for piracy being price driven, Netflix is affordable, iTunes is affordable. Some people will never be prepared to pay for something if it's available for free, and there are plenty of those people out there.

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#1926565 29-Dec-2017 14:25

Sam91:

I think piracy is still a huge issue. Sure, many pirates will have shifted to legitimate services, but with the advent of illegal streaming sites it's now far more accessible. You used to have to download torrent software, download your viewing choice in advance, and wait ages for it to download. Everything is now instant and there are no barriers to entry. Anyone, regardless of their knowledge, can access pirated content just by following a link. So as much as there's been a shift to legitimate services, there's also a whole new group of people getting involved in piracy. I don't pirate content, but pretty much everyone I know uses streaming sites and talks of it very casually.

You can attack Sky all you want for their failure to adapt, but you can't deny the impact it's having on their business. As for piracy being price driven, Netflix is affordable, iTunes is affordable. Some people will never be prepared to pay for something if it's available for free, and there are plenty of those people out there.

My view on torrenting is that it was quick and easy. There will always be those on the edge, whether its pirating, speeding, drinking, its normal. I think for pirating it becomes less and less worthwhile. Spotify, SVOD, pirate sires coming and going, illegal streaming sites, are they in crisp HD and have everything?

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#1926585 29-Dec-2017 15:39

Rikkitic:
Every time there has been a 'crackdown' on piracy, a new form has emerged. When people are finally given access to all the content they want for a fair and reasonable price, without silly artificial barriers like geoblocking, piracy will cease to be a problem.

What is a fair and reasonable price?

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#1926606 29-Dec-2017 17:00

MikeB4:
Rikkitic:

Every time there has been a 'crackdown' on piracy, a new form has emerged. When people are finally given access to all the content they want for a fair and reasonable price, without silly artificial barriers like geoblocking, piracy will cease to be a problem.

What is a fair and reasonable price?

$15/month

I'm a geek, a gamer, a dad and an IT Professional. I have a full rack home lab, size 15 feet, an epic beard and Asperger's. I'm a bit of a Cypherpunk, who believes information wants to be free and the Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.

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#1926615 29-Dec-2017 17:20

MikeB4: What is a fair and reasonable price?

It depends on the range and quality of content, how easy it is to use, and how obnoxious the DRM is (which is related to usability).

Personally and excluding sport, for a good reliable service, with a *very* good range of content, and no ads or other annoyances, I would be willing to pay in the $40-60/month range. But to get me north of $50 it would have to be pretty darn special in every way.

If the content range isn't that comprehensive, there isn't an HD option of at least 720p with 5.1 sound, and/or there are ads and other annoyances, then what I am prepared to pay is likely much, much less. For netflix NZ & Lightbox types of offerings, probably in the $10-13/month range, certainly no more.

For a crappy service, with limited films and TV series, no HD stream, intrusive DRM and other annoyances I doubt I would be prepared to pay at all. Certainly no more than $3-5/m for something like the ill-fated Quikflix.

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#1926636 29-Dec-2017 18:41

Sam91:

I think piracy is still a huge issue. Sure, many pirates will have shifted to legitimate services, but with the advent of illegal streaming sites it's now far more accessible. You used to have to download torrent software, download your viewing choice in advance, and wait ages for it to download. Everything is now instant and there are no barriers to entry. Anyone, regardless of their knowledge, can access pirated content just by following a link. So as much as there's been a shift to legitimate services, there's also a whole new group of people getting involved in piracy. I don't pirate content, but pretty much everyone I know uses streaming sites and talks of it very casually.

You can attack Sky all you want for their failure to adapt, but you can't deny the impact it's having on their business. As for piracy being price driven, Netflix is affordable, iTunes is affordable. Some people will never be prepared to pay for something if it's available for free, and there are plenty of those people out there.

it's only a huge issue in countries that have crap internet , streaming services are non existent and the average wage is a couple of dollars a month , so people have to either go without or pirate the content, if it was me i would be pirating everything by necessity but in NZ and other rich countries the need is not as great.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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