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  # 1937300 11-Jan-2018 16:41
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tdgeek: They just protect their business, its that simple. Should NF get screwed too as they geoblock? 

 

 

Insofar as geoblocking is concerned, in my view yes. I have no issue with someone evading geoblocking and purchasing a Netflix package from another jurisdiction.

 

So, its not ok to illegally distribute copyright content but its ok to bypass systems to access copyright content? Thats like saying you cant steal cars them sell them, but you can steal them for yourself

 

 

No, it isn't. It's like saying you can't steal cars/books/shirts, but you can buy them from a (legitimate) overseas vendor if you don't like the excessive price the NZ distributor is charging. Just like when I buy a book from Amazon because it's less than half the price a NZ bookstore is charging.

 

Parallel importing, whether of digital or physical goods, isn't stealing. Not even remotely, irrespective of what a NZ distributor, who may have paid handsomely for the exclusive NZ rights to sell something may claim. A case in point being the Adidas shirt debacle in 2011, where Adidas tried to charge more than twice as much here for All Black Jerseys than in other countries, and tried to use geographic licencing (setting lawyers on worldrugbyshop.com etc) to try prevent jerseys being shipped to buyers here at the world price, to protect it's price structure in NZ. I had no issue with people wanting to source jerseys from overseas, and have no issue with them trying to source cheaper digital product either.

 

There was widespread anger and contempt directed at Adidas (condemning Adidas was one of the few things that Phil Goff and John Key publicly agreed on that year, joined by a cast of NZ luminaries such as Colin Meads) over this. This was appropriate. And Sky's attempts to prop its business up by undermining parallel importing of digital content are worthy of the same anger and contempt in my view.

 

 

Your first quote. You support copyright infringement. ok, thats settled.

 

Second quote

 

You cant compare a $15 book with a $15 sub to another provider where the "book" is included. You didnt buy it from another provider. Not unless you subscribed to watch one title, then cancelled. 

 

When the book leaves the factory, the manufacture does not care who buys it. Its one sale at the factory door. When a movie etc leaves the factory, it gets sold also to a wholesaler, who pays handsomely, and adds that to their catalogue, in the expectation that the better catalogue will get more subscribers. If you bypass that to access it from another source for free (as you already subscribe to that other source despite breaking the T+C's) you undermine the rights holder. If everyone did that, then the local sources have a poor catalogue, then if they find a way to block bypasses, then you complain that the local sources, say Sky, LB, NF are useless. Its not far off piracy, as its not about paying for one book/title, its using its catalogue, and telling yourself that you paid for it. You didnt way for that title. As you forego the local service. You cannot treat a sub to 4000 movies the same as buying one book. 


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tdgeek:

 

Your first quote. You support copyright infringement. ok, thats settled.

 

 

No, it's isn't and I don't. I oppose piracy. I don't oppose evading geoblocking.

 

In any event, this thread is turning nasty with accusations being leveled at people rather than debate of the points raised. I'm unsubbing from the thread, and I'm out.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1945986 24-Jan-2018 12:33
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Does anyone know what John Fellets actual email address is? 

 

 


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  # 1946043 24-Jan-2018 14:15
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i thought you were him in disguise 😀

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Brunzy: i thought you were him in disguise 😀

 

Why? Becuase I tried to introduce some balance to the frenzied and often factually inaccurate hysterics often found in Sky Discussions? No, I am just a guy who tries to employ a little common sense when I discuss things. 

 

 




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  # 1946064 24-Jan-2018 15:02
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Probably an email to enquiries@sky.co.nz

https://www.sky.co.nz/aboutus

John Fellet

Director and Chief Executive Officer

Mr Fellet joined SKY as chief operating officer in 1991. He was appointed as chief executive in January 2001 and as a director of SKY in April 2001. Mr Fellet holds a BA degree in Accounting from Arizona State University, United States and has over 36 years’ experience in the pay television industry, including ten years’ experience with Telecommunications Inc. in the United States.


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  # 1946211 24-Jan-2018 18:03
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networkn:

 

Does anyone know what John Fellets actual email address is? 

 

 

John Fellet thinks email is just a passing fad.


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  # 1946221 24-Jan-2018 18:27
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Didn't Sky used to have decoders with keyboards, internet, e-mail etc? It was some time ago so I may be wrong on some details...


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  # 1946230 24-Jan-2018 18:57
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I don't think CEO's of most company's would deal with customer enquiries.

They pay people to do that for them, their time is more valuable for other tasks.

Can only hope someone doesn't give a scripted reply and moves something higher up.

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  # 1946234 24-Jan-2018 19:04
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quickymart:

Didn't Sky used to have decoders with keyboards, internet, e-mail etc? It was some time ago so I may be wrong on some details...



Nope. The only non TV service they got off the ground was TAB betting.
Subscribing to a channel with remote use to work, but no longer does (over 6 months since I tried last), and you have to email or ring to unsubscribe.

Can add a channel through browser on computer if have Sky basic, but not remove.

Edit: That's with instant effect, I have sent email through browser, but takes one or two days to get actioned with unsubscribing.

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  # 1946245 24-Jan-2018 19:23
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rugrat:
quickymart:

 

Didn't Sky used to have decoders with keyboards, internet, e-mail etc? It was some time ago so I may be wrong on some details...

 



Nope. The only non TV service they got off the ground was TAB betting.
Subscribing to a channel with remote use to work, but no longer does (over 6 months since I tried last), and you have to email or ring to unsubscribe.

Can add a channel through browser on computer if have Sky basic, but not remove.

 

Uh oh.  Your memory is rather too short.  https://www.computerworld.co.nz/article/512617/sky_tv_aims_email_revenue/

 

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0211/S00226.htm

 

It was about the time that the world was going to be taken over by Microsoft's Home Media Center.


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networkn:

Brunzy: i thought you were him in disguise 😀


Why? Becuase I tried to introduce some balance to the frenzied and often factually inaccurate hysterics often found in Sky Discussions? No, I am just a guy who tries to employ a little common sense when I discuss things. 


 



Chill out man, didn’t you see the smilie, or don’t you have a sense of humour?
It was a light hearted comment, please take it as such

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  # 1946276 24-Jan-2018 20:50
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rugrat:
quickymart:


Didn't Sky used to have decoders with keyboards, internet, e-mail etc? It was some time ago so I may be wrong on some details...




Nope. The only non TV service they got off the ground was TAB betting.
Subscribing to a channel with remote use to work, but no longer does (over 6 months since I tried last), and you have to email or ring to unsubscribe.

Can add a channel through browser on computer if have Sky basic, but not remove.


Uh oh.  Your memory is rather too short.  https://www.computerworld.co.nz/article/512617/sky_tv_aims_email_revenue/


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0211/S00226.htm


It was about the time that the world was going to be taken over by Microsoft's Home Media Center.



Thank you for correction, never knew they got it off the ground. I had a gap in having Sky and then only got it back when the silver myskys came out.
I remember them talking about using decoders for ordering pizzas, and things which would've been ground breaking at the time as Internet back then was not as main stream as today.

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  # 1946280 24-Jan-2018 21:09
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ockel:

 

It was about the time that the world was going to be taken over by Microsoft's Home Media Center.

 

 

It certainly took over my world for a good 3-4 years.  Kind of miss those WMC days, especially running Sky through it.  


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gehenna:

 

ockel:

 

It was about the time that the world was going to be taken over by Microsoft's Home Media Center.

 

 

It certainly took over my world for a good 3-4 years.  Kind of miss those WMC days, especially running Sky through it.  

 

 

Still use it - has a reasonably high WAF :-)





My thoughts are no longer my own and is probably representative of our media-controlled government


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