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  Reply # 1983865 26-Mar-2018 22:30
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tdgeek: Kid making, you mean loss? Letters close together.

Ha ha, yes. Posting on a small screen without reading glasses combined with auto-incorrect can make for some hilarious typo's. Been back and fixed a couple, but there's probably more :-)

tdgeek: I believe they now turn a profit. Miniscule per revenue. A teeny downturn or rights cost increase, its gone. They do need to increase the price by a few dollars, its still cheap as chips but it will be a high %. Remember when it went up by 2 bucks? The world nearly ended. People are cheap. Apart from realists who are happy to enjoy good value, or pay more for a premium service, you work that out.

Profit is profit is profit. For a youngish company (11 years in the streaming game, much less globally) I'd say they're probably exceeding everyone's expectations. This all way, way off topic. But while we're here, let's not forget that NF poured US$6.3b into producing original content last year and have said they'll increase that to US$7b this year. Keeping returns low (at this point) while building a strong portfolio is a very smart move. They quite clearly have a long term focus.

I'm quite interested to see what sort of focus a new CEO will bring to Sky NZ.

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  Reply # 1983928 27-Mar-2018 07:14
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tdgeek: Kid making, you mean loss? Letters close together.

Ha ha, yes. Posting on a small screen without reading glasses combined with auto-incorrect can make for some hilarious typo's. Been back and fixed a couple, but there's probably more :-)

tdgeek: I believe they now turn a profit. Miniscule per revenue. A teeny downturn or rights cost increase, its gone. They do need to increase the price by a few dollars, its still cheap as chips but it will be a high %. Remember when it went up by 2 bucks? The world nearly ended. People are cheap. Apart from realists who are happy to enjoy good value, or pay more for a premium service, you work that out.

Profit is profit is profit. For a youngish company (11 years in the streaming game, much less globally) I'd say they're probably exceeding everyone's expectations. This all way, way off topic. But while we're here, let's not forget that NF poured US$6.3b into producing original content last year and have said they'll increase that to US$7b this year. Keeping returns low (at this point) while building a strong portfolio is a very smart move. They quite clearly have a long term focus.

I'm quite interested to see what sort of focus a new CEO will bring to Sky NZ.

 

I dont see much changing at all. There is change afoot as they have advised, a new STB or upgrade in a year, that can allow apps, maybe a Sky app as he said. Still under contract with Optus till I think 2019. These two points must be related. A Chorus trial, must also be related to when Optus ends. They have to tread water until they are in a position to say, Optus?  CDN?  Chorus? Keep satellite as well if a cheaper deal?

 

If they create a Sky app that gives effectively free multiroom thats a big added value, if they can work out how to stop non subscribers riding off that for free as they do with Sky Go


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1983938 27-Mar-2018 07:48
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Just as a point of interest, what percentage of Sky's subscriber base is rural who can only get crap broadband? Would it be 10%?

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  Reply # 1984063 27-Mar-2018 09:40
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tdgeek:

 

Agree. Sky isnt here to provide TV to remote areas, although that is a very nice bonus. 

 

Isnt Sky Go vis the interwebs? Cricket the other day, Radio gets coverage very quick, Sky Go a bit behind, Satellite a bit further behind. Given satellite has extra latency, it seems Sky Go is quicker and thus via IP

 

 

Sky Go and FanPass is generally 30-120 seconds behind the broadcast of the broadcast signal (as are all live streams, e.g. TVNZoD). The latency between DVB-T and DVB-S is less than a second.


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  Reply # 1984092 27-Mar-2018 09:53
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Who cares about the platform???   You should care about the content. 

 

Satellite is awesome 1980's tech. It works. What you should want is the content you want. Fibre, VDSL Satellite, who cares. Sometimes Id love Sky to dump Optus, turn on 4k, halve prices then see who whines about how much national bandwidth Sky uses.   

 

 

If you don't care about price then I guess platform is irrelevant (satellite is not cheap). 

 

 

 

These things are important for me...

 

Content  (sky wins they have sport)

 

Price  (netflix wins)

 

Functionality/Features (netflix wins)

 

Reliability (netflix wins)

 

 

 

But, I get my rugby through rugbypass so sky loses in all. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1984492 27-Mar-2018 20:43
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quickymart: Just as a point of interest, what percentage of Sky's subscriber base is rural who can only get crap broadband? Would it be 10%?

 

Careful, you are dangerously close to being called out for breathtaking ignorance (-;


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  Reply # 1984509 27-Mar-2018 21:11
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Amosnz:

 

This will limit the usefulness of the fellet.io domain name I've thought of registering a few times before.

 

 

So how exactly do you pronounce that again?





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  Reply # 1984526 27-Mar-2018 21:59
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tdgeek:

 

hairy1:

 

networkn:

 

Yes, NF does care how many devices. Check your subscription details. 

 

I am not saying that Sky has done an awesome job with it's digital platforms to date. They were too slow to see the need, then didn't commit to it fully. They waited for things to happen (relying on mergers etc which would have given them a platform) rather than making something happen. 

 

I think they are doing the right thing in partnering with an established platform rather than making their own. 

 

My kids don't care how their content is delivered behind the scenes. I didn't know what broadcast tv was as a kid, I knew that my content was available in our 1 device in the house (tv). 

 

In an ideal situation what you mention would be amazing, but NF doesn't need to cater for anyone that doesn't have an internet connection (and has an near unlimited number of customers), Sky has chosen to provide this (for a long time before SVOD was a thing) and understandably (to those who don't only care about themselves) and will continue to for the foreseeable future. This makes their strategy more complicated and the risks higher. 

 

Also, Netflix is a loss-making organization and expect it's prices to jump (some analysts believe by up to 80%) over the next 5 years. They can't make a profit (or even close) charging what they charge. 

 

It's simply not apples with apples. If NF works for you and you don't see the value in Sky, then no-one is forcing you, or anyone to remain a subscriber. 

 

I have both and am happy to pay for both.  I'd take my Rugby over transmission before streaming every day of the week. I can't imagine how freaking frustrated I'd be if for some reason my bandwidth mid game was affected and I got buffering and definition changes as a result. 

 

I have a 70Mbps connection and my Netflix would have an issue at least once or twice a week or more even.

 

 

I'm wasn't talking about the Netflix service. I was talking about the platform. Sky needs a digital platform. I gather that transmission works for you but to be honest you are not the future. The digital natives are. The baby boomers are keeping the Sky boat going but they are going to become a limited commodity in the future.

 

 

Who cares about the platform???   You should care about the content. 

 

Satellite is awesome 1980's tech. It works. What you should want is the content you want. Fibre, VDSL Satellite, who cares. Sometimes Id love Sky to dump Optus, turn on 4k, halve prices then see who whines about how much national bandwidth Sky uses.   

 

 

Heres the final say on SKY and Optus from John Fellet

 

Sky's satellite service is currently delivered via an Optus satellite, which has a back-up, and both satellites are due to fail some time from 2021. Sky plans to negotiate a contract for new satellite capacity next year, Fellet says.

 

Even though it will be shorter-term and should cost less than its existing contract, Fellet says it should still ensure Sky can provide a satellite service that looks similar to the one it provides today until at least about 2026, with the same level of back-up. 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1984581 27-Mar-2018 22:35
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Heres the final say on SKY and Optus from John Fellet

 

Sky's satellite service is currently delivered via an Optus satellite, which has a back-up, and both satellites are due to fail some time from 2021. Sky plans to negotiate a contract for new satellite capacity next year, Fellet says.

 

Even though it will be shorter-term and should cost less than its existing contract, Fellet says it should still ensure Sky can provide a satellite service that looks similar to the one it provides today until at least about 2026, with the same level of back-up. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looks similar, what is that supposed to mean? The UI isn't affected, so he means the res? Similar means same res across the channels but not quite?? 


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  Reply # 1984681 28-Mar-2018 08:58
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/102624281/sky-tv-boss-reckons-it-could-hold-rugby-for-another-15-years

 

Interesting read. Note that 4 years ago he wanted to forget broadcast TV and be all VOD. And what he says to, what his critics and Sky critics say.

 

That's ok, GZ has corrected those mislead ones over and over and over

 

So, satellite will stay till at least 2026 by the looks of it. In a year the new upgrade was hinted to included Sky on an app, so that would cover all bases


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  Reply # 1984730 28-Mar-2018 09:38
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So apparently Sky isn't the preferred bidder for the RWC 2019, nor the AB's end of year tour. 

 

That does not please me. The last 2 RWC's I have watched every single game including all pool games, and I like the MySky system for that!

 

 


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  Reply # 1984735 28-Mar-2018 09:44
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So apparently Sky isn't the preferred bidder for the RWC 2019, nor the AB's end of year tour. 

 

That does not please me. The last 2 RWC's I have watched every single game including all pool games, and I like the MySky system for that!

 

 

If TVNZ do win the rights, you'd expect every non AB/finals game to either be screened live on TVNZ Duke or a pop up channel. TVNZ have definitely shown they can do it right with the Paralymics last month and Commonwealth Games next month. And the time zone (Japan is four hours behind NZ in summer[1]) makes it great viewing for Kiwis.

 

 

 

[1] three hours for the first week of RWC2019


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  Reply # 1984741 28-Mar-2018 09:51
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networkn:

 

So apparently Sky isn't the preferred bidder for the RWC 2019, nor the AB's end of year tour. 

 

That does not please me. The last 2 RWC's I have watched every single game including all pool games, and I like the MySky system for that!

 

 

If TVNZ do win the rights, you'd expect every non AB/finals game to either be screened live on TVNZ Duke or a pop up channel. TVNZ have definitely shown they can do it right with the Paralymics last month and Commonwealth Games next month. And the time zone (Japan is four hours behind NZ in summer[1]) makes it great viewing for Kiwis.

 

 

 

[1] three hours for the first week of RWC2019

 

 

Who pays for it?


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  Reply # 1984747 28-Mar-2018 09:56
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tdgeek:

 

Who pays for it?

 

 

Tax payer of course!

 

No free lunches here.

 

 


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  Reply # 1984748 28-Mar-2018 09:57
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tdgeek:

 

Who pays for it?

 

 

TVNZ pay for the rights, and the sell advertising to cover their costs. You can be pretty much guaranteed that an All Blacks semi and final will be to two top rating programs on tv next year. Of course the risk is that the All Blacks chock, and don't make the playoffs (like in France when it was on TV 3).


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