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  Reply # 1984749 28-Mar-2018 09:58
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tdgeek:

 

Who pays for it?

 

 

Tax payer of course!

 

No free lunches here.

 

 

Why would tax payers pay? The event isn't hosted in NZ, so isn't eligible for NZ on Air funding, and TVNZ receives no funding directly from the government.


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  Reply # 1984752 28-Mar-2018 10:05
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tdgeek:

 

Who pays for it?

 

 

TVNZ pay for the rights, and the sell advertising to cover their costs. You can be pretty much guaranteed that an All Blacks semi and final will be to two top rating programs on tv next year. Of course the risk is that the All Blacks chock, and don't make the playoffs (like in France when it was on TV 3).

 

 

Not a show of getting close. It will cost millions, advertising is per minute for one advertiser, it will make a big loss. I'm feeling its a Winston idea. For Sky its a cost of doing business, for FTA is a public service. There are MANY non rugger fans in NZ, they wont like paying for it

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1984753 28-Mar-2018 10:06
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stinger:

 

networkn:

 

tdgeek:

 

Who pays for it?

 

 

Tax payer of course!

 

No free lunches here.

 

 

Why would tax payers pay? The event isn't hosted in NZ, so isn't eligible for NZ on Air funding, and TVNZ receives no funding directly from the government.

 

 

If TVNZ pays that means the taxpayers pay


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  Reply # 1984757 28-Mar-2018 10:09
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While rumoured lead bidders Spark and TVNZ won't comment, notable that Spark's MD said earlier that Lightbox's April move from Xtream to Brightcove will allow for live sports streaming plus pay-per-view events

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1984764 28-Mar-2018 10:12
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tdgeek:

 

If TVNZ pays that means the taxpayers pay

 

 

That is simply not true. TVNZ does not receive any funding from the government. They do receive funding from NZ on Air and Te Māngai Pāho but that is for specific programs only, and is contestable by all media companies. If the advertising does not cover the cost of rights (plus production costs) then that will be a business decision for TVNZ to make, but I'd be mighty pissed off if my taxes are to pay for an event that the majority of kiwis will not watch.

 

TVNZ did not get funding from the government for the Paralympics or the Commonwealth Games (the later which is going to be on three channels during prime time). Please correct me if I am wrong.


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  Reply # 1984770 28-Mar-2018 10:18
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tdgeek: Chris Keall
(@
ChrisKeall) While rumoured lead bidders Spark and TVNZ won't comment, notable that Spark's MD said earlier that Lightbox's April move from Xtream to Brightcove will allow for live sports streaming plus pay-per-view events  

 

Lightbox signalled their intention to move to PPV movies last month http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/5/304092 

 

I cannot see the attraction in Spark wanting to share the rights. If all games are going to be on FTA, then I don't see what consumers are going to want to pay for it on Lightbox PPV.


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  Reply # 1984773 28-Mar-2018 10:21
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stinger:

 

tdgeek:

 

If TVNZ pays that means the taxpayers pay

 

 

That is simply not true. TVNZ does not receive any funding from the government. They do receive funding from NZ on Air and Te Māngai Pāho but that is for specific programs only, and is contestable by all media companies. If the advertising does not cover the cost of rights (plus production costs) then that will be a business decision for TVNZ to make, but I'd be mighty pissed off if my taxes are to pay for an event that the majority of kiwis will not watch.

 

TVNZ did not get funding from the government for the Paralympics or the Commonwealth Games (the later which is going to be on three channels during prime time). Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

 

Dont say its not true unless you are correct. It is state owned. If they get the RWC, the net loss they make reduces the profit that is taxpayers funds, used to support NZ. No way will advertising cover it. Its a premium event, very short term so the ads are short term and you can only show one ad per time. Multiple channels? One ad per set of eyes. If its was PPV, then yes they could make a profit or a small or medium but acceptable loss

 

Paralympics are low value, Commonwealth is probably also lowish value. RWC is the World Series of World Series for NZ. Ask Winston, I bet he knows

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1984775 28-Mar-2018 10:22
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Spark and TVNZ have partnered before when Lightbox Sport had EPL and Golf rights. 

 

Lots of ways to slice-and-dice rugby World Cup rights.

 

All games involving the All Blacks could be free-to-air on TVNZ, while Lightbox has every single game, plus ondemand and mobile app options.

 

Spark will also be looking closely at how BT has prospered in the UK after securing football rights.

 

 





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  Reply # 1984776 28-Mar-2018 10:23
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tdgeek: Chris Keall
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ChrisKeall) While rumoured lead bidders Spark and TVNZ won't comment, notable that Spark's MD said earlier that Lightbox's April move from Xtream to Brightcove will allow for live sports streaming plus pay-per-view events  

 

Lightbox signalled their intention to move to PPV movies last month http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/5/304092 

 

I cannot see the attraction in Spark wanting to share the rights. If all games are going to be on FTA, then I don't see what consumers are going to want to pay for it on Lightbox PPV.

 

 

Agree. I cant see the value either. It is bound to be FTA, and if its on Lightbox as FTA, thats some prestige. But I agree, I cannot see the value. Unless sports is a target of Lightbox over time, in which case its a good line in the sand for Spark to buiild on


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  Reply # 1984777 28-Mar-2018 10:25
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chriskeall:

 

Spark and TVNZ have partnered before when Lightbox Sport had EPL and Golf rights. 

 

Lots of ways to slice-and-dice rugby World Cup rights.

 

All games involving the All Blacks could be free-to-air on TVNZ, while Lightbox has every single game, plus ondemand and mobile app options.

 

Spark will also be looking closely at how BT has prospered in the UK after securing football rights.

 

 

 

 

Thats a very good point

 

 


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  Reply # 1984974 28-Mar-2018 15:08
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Apsattv:

 

Heres the final say on SKY and Optus from John Fellet

 

Sky's satellite service is currently delivered via an Optus satellite, which has a back-up, and both satellites are due to fail some time from 2021. Sky plans to negotiate a contract for new satellite capacity next year, Fellet says.

 

Even though it will be shorter-term and should cost less than its existing contract, Fellet says it should still ensure Sky can provide a satellite service that looks similar to the one it provides today until at least about 2026, with the same level of back-up. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looks similar, what is that supposed to mean? The UI isn't affected, so he means the res? Similar means same res across the channels but not quite?? 

 

 

Similar as in delivering linear TV content to STB as they do now, I would also expect them to lease less capacity since they can get rid of all the channel duplicates (about 30 at last count)

 

 


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  Reply # 1985016 28-Mar-2018 15:47
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Note Sky TV (and Freeview) are partcipating in Chorus's 4K over fibre trial in Auckland during May.

 

Trial involves live 4K (and poss 8K) broadcast over fibre, utilising an ONT's second port -- Chrous is pitching it as dedicated bandwidth as opposed to an over-the-top-service sharing bandwidth on an ONT's first port.

 

https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/sky-says-it-will-participate-chorus-4k-fibre-live-broadcast-trial-ck-p-214111

 

 





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  Reply # 1985020 28-Mar-2018 15:52
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chriskeall:

 

Note Sky TV (and Freeview) are partcipating in Chorus's 4K over fibre trial in Auckland during May.

 

Trial involves live 4K (and poss 8K) broadcast over fibre, utilising an ONT's second port -- Chrous is pitching it as dedicated bandwidth as opposed to an over-the-top-service sharing bandwidth on an ONT's first port.

 

https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/sky-says-it-will-participate-chorus-4k-fibre-live-broadcast-trial-ck-p-214111

 

 

Do Sky TV and/or Freeview have any 4K content to offer the people on the trial? The biggest concern for Sky is that need to upgrade STBs for customers that are going to use the service. The current STB (at least the one I had) only had one ethernet port, where two will be required for the trial (one for the Internet and one for the multicast stream.


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  Reply # 1985163 28-Mar-2018 21:34
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tdgeek:

 

If TVNZ pays that means the taxpayers pay

 

 

Not legally - if TVNZ pays then a company in which the Crown happens to own shares pays. And they are a commercial operation, so presumably the Board thinks it's to the company's commercial advantage to do so, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

 

chriskeall:

 

Spark and TVNZ have partnered before when Lightbox Sport had EPL and Golf rights. 

 

Lots of ways to slice-and-dice rugby World Cup rights.

 

All games involving the All Blacks could be free-to-air on TVNZ, while Lightbox has every single game, plus ondemand and mobile app options.

 

 

Depending on the pricing, it could be simultaneously broadcast on Lightbox and TVNZ. The Lightbox stream could be uninterrupted while the TVNZ broadcast contained the usual saturation-bombing of ads and promos. At the right price, many people may consider that it's worth paying Lightbox in order to avoid that agonising viewing experience.


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  Reply # 1985184 28-Mar-2018 22:06
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For the live game I don't see that lack of ads makes a lot of difference for most people. FTA would be a massive boost for the Freeview platform. The ability to watch the games for the next week or even longer would be a boost for lightbox.

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