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  #2149083 21-Dec-2018 23:12
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sdavisnz:
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sdavisnz: What a waste of money, with ufb and rbi, and a android TV stb's getting so good and so cheap, if I was running sky I would ditch sat at 2021. It's pretty much end of life by then.

Sky need to focus on 4k delivery , a price attractive for millions of subscribers and availability on every device available to consumers.

People dont want another device , they want to install an app on the device they already have, and will continue to upgrade every few years as the tech gets better, how old is mysky hdi, 10 years? Its massive, clunky, not upgradable, not 4k, not attractive.

I left sky 3 years ago because they were a RIP off and no 4k support

It's nearly 2019 and they still have no 4k product , what a joke

No one cares about your satellite bro.

 

 

 

Interesting viewpoint.  Do you think that Freeview will abandon satellite when the current Optus sat reaches end of life, or will it look to renew capacity for another 10 years?  Will Freeview rely on DTT, UFB and RBI such that its members can reach all households [Hint RBI spending $130m for the last 10,000 households vs $5m pa per transponder for broadcast satellite coverage].   Sky has indicated that it thinks satellite is the best method for reaching the last 200,000 households that it thinks will be poorly served by UFB - thats $20m pa for 200,000 households.  Do the math.  Does it make sense or should Sky tell those households that carriage is the householders problem?

 

 

 

WRT 4K - do you think Sky will lead broadcasters in 4K or follow Mediaworks and TVNZ?  Hint Mediaworks went first on HD, then Sky and finally TVNZ.  What financial benefit do you attribute to HD for those broadcasters and do you think this will positively or negatively impact their planning horizon?  Do any broadcasters even stream in 4K?  What degree of HD do they livestream in?  Library?  Why do you think that Sky will act any differently to those other broadcasters - and why?

 



Sorry, been distracted tonight.

Not sure about freeview sat, maybe that will stay, its probably pretty cheap as they didnt rent much space on it, being sd and all , I'm sure it's not the focus.


I think dtt will get more investment as it's still a relatively new tech for kiwis. It's probably got another 20 years in it.

On sky does it make sense to spend 20m for 200k people a year, no, if you want sport or movies you will find a way.

Do I think sky will lead in 4k, no as I said there useless, should they lead tvnz and mediaworks, yes, they have paying subscribers , money should equal quality, and a number of pixels on a screen is a number I look at.

I think most providers in NZ cheap out on the CDN, and it reflects in the quality of product, look at the players who invest in CDN like Netflix, 4k hdr no problem. Sure sport delivery is tougher, but when you reallocate 200million into a good CDN I'm sure it would do fine.

 

Thanks - appreciate the thoughts.  I dont personally see that the DTT footprint will expand from its current form in NZ.  No economic rationale.  

 

Most important question would have been "What financial benefit do you attribute to HD for those broadcasters and do you think this will positively or negatively impact their planning horizon?"  Everyone is served by self interest.  Self interests of the consumer demand more, better, cheaper.  Self interests of the producers - profit maximisation.  So putting yourself in any broadcasters shoes (while putting your interests as a broadcaster first) - what did you gain from HD and what would you gain from 4K?  


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  #2149084 21-Dec-2018 23:19
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I'm not going to answer all your questions but..

I have had a 4k TV for the last 4 years and I love sport, I would happily pay more to watch sport in 4k.

Right now I pay zero to sky. I can get 720p/1080i from another source for free/cheap so why give sky money if they dont want to deliver me a superior product.

I pay for Netflix 4k, I buy 4k blurays, I'll pay for quality.

I ain't paying nothing for 1080i in 2019, hella no!.




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  #2149086 21-Dec-2018 23:39
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 At present Sky online solutions are sub par to satellite, where Netflix is higher quality, they've had plenty of time so feel they are dragging the ball.

 

I'm happy with their the satellite channels in HD but wished  more of the channels were HD, just about all content on Netflix is HD.

 

I be surprised if Spark match's Sky Sports quality on satellite, as to date all their streaming is 720p and no DD.

 

I don't know what it is with NZ companies in general and not being able to provide live broadcast quality streaming.

 

It looks like over in Australia they're playing to win with the new service over there, and they're not trying to recover satellite costs like Sky seems to with streaming customers here... Fan Pass $100 a month if less then 6 months, around $55 for 6 months if not Spark customer.

 

Hopefully they do it right....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2149133 22-Dec-2018 08:05
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sdavisnz: I'm not going to answer all your questions but..

I have had a 4k TV for the last 4 years and I love sport, I would happily pay more to watch sport in 4k.

Right now I pay zero to sky. I can get 720p/1080i from another source for free/cheap so why give sky money if they dont want to deliver me a superior product.

I pay for Netflix 4k, I buy 4k blurays, I'll pay for quality.

I ain't paying nothing for 1080i in 2019, hella no!.


Atm the proportion of 4k ready households is low, and of those that are ready a proportion will have the propensity to pay for 4k content. So sadly it puts you in a small minority of the viewing population. Over time that will change but I reiterate that it's hard to see the economic rationale for capital investment in 4k and to be able to justify the higher operating costs.

Point of fact - the last thing that TVNZ upgraded to HD was it's news. The biggest point of differentiation - live, local content. And yet the investment case meant it was the absolutely last thing it did. Why? Absolutely no way to earn ROIC from moving from SD to HD.

So why would a broadcaster bother? Foxtel is still significantly under penetrated in Australia, losing satellite subs and seeing declining profitability despite moves to cut prices to grow subscriptions. It has plenty of hd but hasn't helped. Will 4k help? Extremely Unlikely but it needs a point of differentiation otherwise it will disappear before Sky does.

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  #2149176 22-Dec-2018 09:03
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I love Sky threads; there are two types of posters:

 

The first offer up many reasons and examples of where Sky have well and truly dropped the ball when it comes to quality, service and customer focus.

 

The second argue tooth and nail 'valid' reasons why Sky needs to charge us significant cash each month for the privilege of remaining in 1980 (and, yes, we should be grateful).

 

 

No!!  LOL. But the threads are fun. I see the Sky threads as similar to Android vs Apple threads. Both have pros and both have cons. If you take the green hat off and stop drinking the Kool Aid, then its a valid discussion over Android vs Apple, its the same for Sky. I have Sky, Ive posted in these threads, and some will think I am a Sky fan, but its a numbers game. There are many benefits to Sky and also to SVOD, and there are disadvantages to both.

 

My preferred fan is the one here that wants all Sky channels for $20, priceless. 


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  #2149177 22-Dec-2018 09:06
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sdavisnz: Both.

 

There you go. You aren't interested in the issues, you just hate Sky, so your comments are pretty much invalid. 


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  #2149178 22-Dec-2018 09:11
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sdavisnz: Both.


There you go. You aren't interested in the issues, you just hate Sky, so your comments are pretty much invalid. 



Incorrect, I hate skys current tech offering and price strategy.

If they fix that I wont hate them.

4k is the standard, the have had 5 years to fix that.

Netflix is all you can eat for $15 a month , they have 2 million nz subscribers.

Sky want 2 million subscribers? Maybe try get closer to that figure.




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  #2149179 22-Dec-2018 09:12
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IMHO, its taken ages for Sky to move, but the sports is top notch, you cannot argue with that. No 4k. no 1080p, but the content is the key factor. Soon, we will have an Android puck for SVOD instead of satellite. Later next year an app that is full Sky. they mention 4k and HDR are coming

 

Ideally they will somehow reduce pricing. With all that in mind, it's happening. For me, I will probably soon find myself paying for two providers, Sky and Spark. 


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  #2149185 22-Dec-2018 09:14
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sdavisnz: Both.

 

 

 

There you go. You aren't interested in the issues, you just hate Sky, so your comments are pretty much invalid. 

 



Incorrect, I hate skys current tech offering and price strategy.

If they fix that I wont hate them.

4k is the standard, the have had 5 years to fix that.

Netflix is all you can eat for $15 a month , they have 2 million nz subscribers.

Sky want 2 million subscribers? Maybe try get closer to that figure.

 

Sky and Netflix don't compete. If Sky offered thousands of old TV and movies, yes they could compete but they are in a different market.

 

If Netflix bought the sports Sky has it wont be $15, or $20, or $30


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  #2149192 22-Dec-2018 09:24
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sdavisnz:
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sdavisnz: Both.


 


There you go. You aren't interested in the issues, you just hate Sky, so your comments are pretty much invalid. 




Incorrect, I hate skys current tech offering and price strategy.

If they fix that I wont hate them.

4k is the standard, the have had 5 years to fix that.

Netflix is all you can eat for $15 a month , they have 2 million nz subscribers.

Sky want 2 million subscribers? Maybe try get closer to that figure.


Sky and Netflix don't compete. If Sky offered thousands of old TV and movies, yes they could compete but they are in a different market.


If Netflix bought the sports Sky has it wont be $15, or $20, or $30



I've seen literally hundreds of people on facebook/twitter/internet saying they will ditch sky and get Netflix. It's a video product. It is competition no matter what you say.

You have your blinders on mate and dont want to hear the truth.




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  #2149195 22-Dec-2018 09:30
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I've seen literally hundreds of people on facebook/twitter/internet saying they will ditch sky and get Netflix. It's a video product. It is competition no matter what you say.

You have your blinders on mate and dont want to hear the truth.

 

You mean blinkers. No blinkers on here. I know the numbers, I know the content. If people find the content on Netflix is equal to Sky, and they change thats fine. It's not equal it's different. They ditched Sky to save money, and they are angry as they want Sky but cannot afford it or cannot justify the cost. 

 

Its NOT a video product. Its a content product as they all are. 

 

Id like it to be lower cost, but I know what sport costs. If I wasn't into sport, there is no need to get Sky Basic, ill just use the other services I pay for. 


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  #2149198 22-Dec-2018 09:36
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sdavisnz:
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sdavisnz: Both.


There you go. You aren't interested in the issues, you just hate Sky, so your comments are pretty much invalid. 



Incorrect, I hate skys current tech offering and price strategy.

If they fix that I wont hate them.

4k is the standard, the have had 5 years to fix that.

Netflix is all you can eat for $15 a month , they have 2 million nz subscribers.

Sky want 2 million subscribers? Maybe try get closer to that figure.


If 4k is the standard then why aren't Spark, who have a blank sheet to start with, launching in 4k? It's not the standard, it's the Gold standard and it's your personal preference. But it's far from being the standard.

Netflix - 2 million NZ subscribers? Source?

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https://www.itwire.com/entertainment/84008-netflix-nz-subscribers-closing-in-on-2-million-mark.html




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  #2149205 22-Dec-2018 09:52
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Once the new Android TV product is available, would it be safe to assume Sky will show all channels in HD assuming that is how they are fed to Sky? Or would it just be a carbon copy of what is on the Satellite pic qual wise?


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  #2149206 22-Dec-2018 09:53
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tdgeek:

 

Sky and Netflix don't compete.

 

 

With the exception of sport, they compete.

 

And if sport wasn't the exception, one would be gone by lunchtime.


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