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  # 2149210 22-Dec-2018 10:04
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dafman:

 

tdgeek:

 

Sky and Netflix don't compete.

 

 

With the exception of sport, they compete.

 

And if sport wasn't the exception, one would be gone by lunchtime.

 

 

Ok, that's true, but lets be frank, who would pay $20 for the MySky box, let alone the subs for Basic to watch FTA and a few other channels? Most use a Freeview box. Its all about sport these days, you like that type of content or not. 


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  # 2149212 22-Dec-2018 10:07
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sdavisnz: https://www.itwire.com/entertainment/84008-netflix-nz-subscribers-closing-in-on-2-million-mark.html


That's viewers, not subscribers. Cos Sky clearly doesn't have 1.6m subscribers. What's Roy Morgans assumption for viewers per hh?

So how many subscribers? Cos it's not 2m, is it?

 
 
 
 


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  # 2149213 22-Dec-2018 10:09
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DjShadow:

 

Once the new Android TV product is available, would it be safe to assume Sky will show all channels in HD assuming that is how they are fed to Sky? Or would it just be a carbon copy of what is on the Satellite pic qual wise?

 

 

Sky pay for SD steams, i.e., news, documentary etc. are fed to Sky in SD. Channel 5 is local so could playout in HD but they don't have the equipment. HD versions of NatGeo and Discovery are actually different products with different content.


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  # 2149214 22-Dec-2018 10:12
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DjShadow:

 

Once the new Android TV product is available, would it be safe to assume Sky will show all channels in HD assuming that is how they are fed to Sky? Or would it just be a carbon copy of what is on the Satellite pic qual wise?

 

 

Ive read here that they cant output more HD due to satellite restrictions. Whatever they have that is in HD that isn't "satellited" in HD, you would expect it will be over broadband.


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  # 2149217 22-Dec-2018 10:20
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tdgeek:

 

Ive read here that they cant output more HD due to satellite restrictions. Whatever they have that is in HD that isn't "satellited" in HD, you would expect it will be over broadband.

 

 

It's already been stated on here many times that Sky can shift 5 transponders to DVB-S2. Shift increases effective bandwidth by 100% (also change of codec from mpeg2 to H.264). Hence why they can drop from 7 to 4 transponders in Optus contract. They choose not to as would be pointless since they have no HD versions of the bulk of the channels due to frugality. And no playout equipment either.




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Spyware:

 

DjShadow:

 

Once the new Android TV product is available, would it be safe to assume Sky will show all channels in HD assuming that is how they are fed to Sky? Or would it just be a carbon copy of what is on the Satellite pic qual wise?

 

 

Sky pay for SD steams, i.e., news, documentary etc. are fed to Sky in SD. Channel 5 is local so could playout in HD but they don't have the equipment. HD versions of NatGeo and Discovery are actually different products with different content.

 

 

They must have something as they are doing local live (in studio) Sports shows in HD as well as playback in HD


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  # 2149229 22-Dec-2018 10:48
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DjShadow:

 

Spyware:

 

DjShadow:

 

Once the new Android TV product is available, would it be safe to assume Sky will show all channels in HD assuming that is how they are fed to Sky? Or would it just be a carbon copy of what is on the Satellite pic qual wise?

 

 

Sky pay for SD steams, i.e., news, documentary etc. are fed to Sky in SD. Channel 5 is local so could playout in HD but they don't have the equipment. HD versions of NatGeo and Discovery are actually different products with different content.

 

 

They must have something as they are doing local live (in studio) Sports shows in HD as well as playback in HD

 

 

 

 

They 100% do have the equipment as they produce their sports content in HD and also Prime.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2149231 22-Dec-2018 11:20
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Andib:

 

DjShadow:

 

Spyware:

 

DjShadow:

 

Once the new Android TV product is available, would it be safe to assume Sky will show all channels in HD assuming that is how they are fed to Sky? Or would it just be a carbon copy of what is on the Satellite pic qual wise?

 

 

Sky pay for SD steams, i.e., news, documentary etc. are fed to Sky in SD. Channel 5 is local so could playout in HD but they don't have the equipment. HD versions of NatGeo and Discovery are actually different products with different content.

 

 

They must have something as they are doing local live (in studio) Sports shows in HD as well as playback in HD

 

 

 

 

They 100% do have the equipment as they produce their sports content in HD and also Prime.

 

 

How much is that equipment is available though? I'd say not much if any at all. 


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  # 2149233 22-Dec-2018 11:44
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darthmeow:

 

Andib:

 

DjShadow:

 

Spyware:

 

DjShadow:

 

Once the new Android TV product is available, would it be safe to assume Sky will show all channels in HD assuming that is how they are fed to Sky? Or would it just be a carbon copy of what is on the Satellite pic qual wise?

 

 

Sky pay for SD steams, i.e., news, documentary etc. are fed to Sky in SD. Channel 5 is local so could playout in HD but they don't have the equipment. HD versions of NatGeo and Discovery are actually different products with different content.

 

 

They must have something as they are doing local live (in studio) Sports shows in HD as well as playback in HD

 

 

 

 

They 100% do have the equipment as they produce their sports content in HD and also Prime.

 

 

How much is that equipment is available though? I'd say not much if any at all. 

 

 

Studios at Panorama Rd are HD.  And OSB has 6 HD units  https://osb.co.nz/#aboutoutsidebroadcastingnewzealand


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  # 2149237 22-Dec-2018 12:10
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OK then please give me some other reason that 5 and Vibe are not played out in HD if indeed all equipment has been purchased and is in place. Why hasn't DVB-S2 shift occurred?? Please tell us.


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  # 2149278 22-Dec-2018 12:46
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tdgeek:


Ok, that's true, but lets be frank, who would pay $20 for the MySky box, let alone the subs for Basic to watch FTA and a few other channels? Most use a Freeview box. Its all about sport these days, you like that type of content or not. 



Me, lol.

When no deals on I just use digital rental about $20 a month per box.
Sky Box way superior to Freeview box’s on market, and record a lot of Freeview.

Sky Box very quiet and can record more channels at once then latest Freeview recorder on market.

Edit: if TiVo was still around it might be different, that box was fantastic.

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  # 2149294 22-Dec-2018 13:34
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Spyware:

OK then please give me some other reason that 5 and Vibe are not played out in HD if indeed all equipment has been purchased and is in place. Why hasn't DVB-S2 shift occurred?? Please tell us.



I'll guess it's because the incremental revenue from advertising in HD (cf SD) plus the incremental revenue from additional hd subscribers is less than the cost of hd content (cf sd). It would be highly likely that a business case has looked at the differential cashflows from such a proposal.
Wrt DVB-S2, who knows. All the old boxes have been swapped out, maybe waiting on new CEO signoff?

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It's interesting that often when I'm amongst a group of people discussing Netflix and Sky that one or two admit that they pay for Netflix but haven't viewed anything on it for months. Can't recall such statements in relation to Sky.

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kiwiharry: It's interesting that often when I'm amongst a group of people discussing Netflix and Sky that one or two admit that they pay for Netflix but haven't viewed anything on it for months. Can't recall such statements in relation to Sky.

 

That could be due to the price difference - spending $12 per month on something you don't use is very different to $100 or whatever Sky is these days.

 

Actually, the main reason I dropped Sky about four years ago was the realization that the only things we were watching on it were on the Freeview channels, ie we hadn't watched anything on the Sky service itself for several months.  I guess we could have dropped to the $20 recorder only tariff, but history of paying for the basic package, then more for the recorder, then more again for HD (which as it turned out, wasn't even necessary for free channels) just made me feel they'd had enough of my money already.


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  # 2149403 22-Dec-2018 18:40
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shk292:

 

kiwiharry: It's interesting that often when I'm amongst a group of people discussing Netflix and Sky that one or two admit that they pay for Netflix but haven't viewed anything on it for months. Can't recall such statements in relation to Sky.

 

That could be due to the price difference - spending $12 per month on something you don't use is very different to $100 or whatever Sky is these days.

 

Actually, the main reason I dropped Sky about four years ago was the realization that the only things we were watching on it were on the Freeview channels, ie we hadn't watched anything on the Sky service itself for several months.  I guess we could have dropped to the $20 recorder only tariff, but history of paying for the basic package, then more for the recorder, then more again for HD (which as it turned out, wasn't even necessary for free channels) just made me feel they'd had enough of my money already.

 

 

And that's absolutely fine. What annoys me is this who ditch Sky then rant about it. Ive got Sky, Netflix, Lightbox, Curiositystream. I don't watch much SVOD but its there. Sky is sport, but I enjoy the doco channels and CNN, so it suits me. Those that dont want Sky, the content doesn't suit, why are they here complaining?? I have a Honda car, a Suzuki motorcycle , you dont see me searching for forums to bag every other car and motorcycle brand. 


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