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#2097295 27-Sep-2018 10:40

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Its the cats ones that need that storage!

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raw pictures take up a ton of room, Gotta have them in that state so we can jump into lightroom and perfect the puddy cats ;)

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#2097304 27-Sep-2018 10:50

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Sorry, and I get that, but an earlier poster quoted ""In general, we think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem."

It is a pricing problem. No one bothers to download TV and movies as we have cheap as chips services now. Sport is all about price. Thats not Sky's fault, it costs. If Sky dont have it, subscribe to those that do.

Ironically I may or may or may not have DLed MotoGP today. I forgot to record. So, for me, no guilt. Its illegal. I have already paid, so no issue.

I agree, to be honest I would reword it to say that it's not just a price problem. The service overall, including price, needs to be addressed.

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#2097311 27-Sep-2018 10:58

A further example to their "over-lord" approach.

Motor trend on demand, is an app/web based subscription service that shows a range of content, including unlocking selected previously pay walled content a month or so after its release free to the public. They have an agreement with Discovery to show some of their content also on the platform.

Because of Sky's involvement with Discovery and others, NZ users cannot access the content that becomes free nor subscribe any more to the paid content. It used to be available, and Sky worked to kill that.
Sure there are ways around that, but to be able to use the service outright, to access most content that Sky will never show, or show years after it was created.....maybe.....

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#2097314 27-Sep-2018 11:05

The way I see it, Sky TV is trying to get Spark to protect their patch (so to speak) which is fundamentally silly. If someone is infringing on their rights, then it's up to Sky to pursue that direction.

To put it in a different (and sillier) context, if I drive across town and burgle Rebel Sport, they and the police can pursue me for that. Rebel Sport can't file an action against my local council for providing the road I drove there on.

The bigger issue here is the anti-competitive nature of the licensing that Sky is party to. These "rights" shouldn't in any way be exclusive and any provider should be able to offer content that their opposition also offers, leaving the consumer in a position to be able to choose their provider on the basis of cost, service, method of delivery and so on.

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#2097317 27-Sep-2018 11:08

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ockel:

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i have Sky Sports and i still have to use streams that are not legal just to watch all the sports i want to, specifically NBA , Sky only shows 6 games a week at the most and i like to watch a few more than that. So they are not losing any money from me but still want to come after me.

Does NBA League Pass not work? I know that NFL's GamePass works but I've never bothered with the NBA or the NHL. I assumed that you could buy a season pass or a team pass and watch it in NZ. Was my assumption wrong?

it's around $200 a season and im not made of money , i could get it but my wife would not be impressed and if i did Sky would have to go.

Surely the per season cost is irrelevant. Does not being prepared to pay the price mean you should obtain it by questionable methods (and then apply that answer to tangible consumer based items and see if it still works for you).

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#2097318 27-Sep-2018 11:11

hsvhel:

A further example to their "over-lord" approach.

Motor trend on demand, is an app/web based subscription service that shows a range of content, including unlocking selected previously pay walled content a month or so after its release free to the public. They have an agreement with Discovery to show some of their content also on the platform.

Because of Sky's involvement with Discovery and others, NZ users cannot access the content that becomes free nor subscribe any more to the paid content. It used to be available, and Sky worked to kill that.
Sure there are ways around that, but to be able to use the service outright, to access most content that Sky will never show, or show years after it was created.....maybe.....

I think you'll find that your beef is with Discovery not Sky. Discovery decide which content it will programme in this part of the world and when it will play it. If Discovery chooses not to broadcast the content or broadcast it years after it was created then thats a Discovery right/issue.

Similarly it is within Discoverys powers to allow NZ users to access the Discovery content on motor trend. But it would have to accept a lower price per subscriber for its channel in NZ. Discoverys call, not Sky.

It really helps if you understand the difference between channels that are prepackaged and played-thru rather than ones that are programmed by the broadcaster.

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#2097320 27-Sep-2018 11:14

DaveDog:

The bigger issue here is the anti-competitive nature of the licensing that Sky is party to. These "rights" shouldn't in any way be exclusive and any provider should be able to offer content that their opposition also offers, leaving the consumer in a position to be able to choose their provider on the basis of cost, service, method of delivery and so on.

When you can get the rights owners/distributors to accept the lower prices for non-exclusive content then you'll have the outcome you seek. Will Netflix accept it may not get as many subscribers if TVNZ has the right to broadcast Netflix Originals?

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#2097322 27-Sep-2018 11:18

ockel:

DaveDog:

The bigger issue here is the anti-competitive nature of the licensing that Sky is party to. These "rights" shouldn't in any way be exclusive and any provider should be able to offer content that their opposition also offers, leaving the consumer in a position to be able to choose their provider on the basis of cost, service, method of delivery and so on.

When you can get the rights owners/distributors to accept the lower prices for non-exclusive content then you'll have the outcome you seek. Will Netflix accept it may not get as many subscribers if TVNZ has the right to broadcast Netflix Originals?

That's the million dollar question - and in the current environment probably not. But, would (for example) Netflix also accept that they might get more subscribers if they can offer other content (Discovery content say) as well... It's time that the viewing choices stopped being all about content and started being about the consumer experience (as most other choices are made)

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#2097324 27-Sep-2018 11:21

If rights were removed globally, I imagine there would be a set fee for say all TV, all Movies, all Sport

What would be a fair price for these three? Noting that the content owners want a fee, the service playing it will want a fee that covers their costs and margin

The other issue is who would play the content? As everyone else has it. So they cannot advertise as users go to the ad free one. It might be that there are 8 SVOD's, but none of them have all sport or all movies or all TV

Movies

Sport

What will we pay for each that's fair and reasonable?

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#2097330 27-Sep-2018 11:24

DaveDog:

ockel:

DaveDog:

The bigger issue here is the anti-competitive nature of the licensing that Sky is party to. These "rights" shouldn't in any way be exclusive and any provider should be able to offer content that their opposition also offers, leaving the consumer in a position to be able to choose their provider on the basis of cost, service, method of delivery and so on.

When you can get the rights owners/distributors to accept the lower prices for non-exclusive content then you'll have the outcome you seek. Will Netflix accept it may not get as many subscribers if TVNZ has the right to broadcast Netflix Originals?

That's the million dollar question - and in the current environment probably not. But, would (for example) Netflix also accept that they might get more subscribers if they can offer other content (Discovery content say) as well... It's time that the viewing choices stopped being all about content and started being about the consumer experience (as most other choices are made)

Netflix dropped Epix (a wide range of movies) because it was non-exclusive and added nothing to its subscriber value.

https://variety.com/2015/digital/news/netflix-epix-deal-expiring-1201581520/

“We’ve enjoyed a five year partnership with Epix, but our strategic paths are no longer aligned,” Sarandos said in an official statement. “Our focus has shifted to provide great movies and TV series for our members that are exclusive to Netflix. Epix’s focus is to make sure that their movies will be widely available for consumers through a variety of platforms.”

So for Netflix its all about content. Just like anyone else. Will Spark be making every RWC19 available FTA on TVNZ? No. Why? Its all about the content.

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#2097381 27-Sep-2018 11:36

DaveDog:

vexxxboy:

ockel:

vexxxboy:

i have Sky Sports and i still have to use streams that are not legal just to watch all the sports i want to, specifically NBA , Sky only shows 6 games a week at the most and i like to watch a few more than that. So they are not losing any money from me but still want to come after me.

Does NBA League Pass not work? I know that NFL's GamePass works but I've never bothered with the NBA or the NHL. I assumed that you could buy a season pass or a team pass and watch it in NZ. Was my assumption wrong?

it's around $200 a season and im not made of money , i could get it but my wife would not be impressed and if i did Sky would have to go.

Surely the per season cost is irrelevant. Does not being prepared to pay the price mean you should obtain it by questionable methods (and then apply that answer to tangible consumer based items and see if it still works for you).

if the price point becomes way above the service provided then yes.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2097384 27-Sep-2018 11:39

vexxxboy:

DaveDog:

vexxxboy:

ockel:

vexxxboy:

i have Sky Sports and i still have to use streams that are not legal just to watch all the sports i want to, specifically NBA , Sky only shows 6 games a week at the most and i like to watch a few more than that. So they are not losing any money from me but still want to come after me.

Does NBA League Pass not work? I know that NFL's GamePass works but I've never bothered with the NBA or the NHL. I assumed that you could buy a season pass or a team pass and watch it in NZ. Was my assumption wrong?

it's around $200 a season and im not made of money , i could get it but my wife would not be impressed and if i did Sky would have to go.

Surely the per season cost is irrelevant. Does not being prepared to pay the price mean you should obtain it by questionable methods (and then apply that answer to tangible consumer based items and see if it still works for you).

if the price point becomes way above the service provided then yes.

Really? I don't agree with that at all. Short of opening the can of worms about the use of unrewarded IP being theft... it's morally questionable at best.

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#2097392 27-Sep-2018 11:41

ockel:

hsvhel:

A further example to their "over-lord" approach.

Motor trend on demand, is an app/web based subscription service that shows a range of content, including unlocking selected previously pay walled content a month or so after its release free to the public. They have an agreement with Discovery to show some of their content also on the platform.

Because of Sky's involvement with Discovery and others, NZ users cannot access the content that becomes free nor subscribe any more to the paid content. It used to be available, and Sky worked to kill that.
Sure there are ways around that, but to be able to use the service outright, to access most content that Sky will never show, or show years after it was created.....maybe.....

I think you'll find that your beef is with Discovery not Sky. Discovery decide which content it will programme in this part of the world and when it will play it. If Discovery chooses not to broadcast the content or broadcast it years after it was created then thats a Discovery right/issue.

Similarly it is within Discoverys powers to allow NZ users to access the Discovery content on motor trend. But it would have to accept a lower price per subscriber for its channel in NZ. Discoverys call, not Sky.

It really helps if you understand the difference between channels that are prepackaged and played-thru rather than ones that are programmed by the broadcaster.

Word for word response from MTOD

"Hi *EDIT*

The reason the content is unavailable in New Zealand is due to Sky TV, we are unable to show the free content due to their involvement and hope to have a resolution soon"

Hope they at least clear it up soon, or they very much force other means to view content

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#2097417 27-Sep-2018 11:58

hsvhel:

Word for word response from MTOD

"Hi *EDIT*

The reason the content is unavailable in New Zealand is due to Sky TV, we are unable to show the free content due to their involvement and hope to have a resolution soon"

Hope they at least clear it up soon, or they very much force other means to view content

And that is exactly whats at issue here. The owner of the property rights in NZ is asserting to the vendor (Discovery) - hey, you sold us exclusive rights at this price $Z/mth/sub, unless you want to renegotiate the contract to $Z-x/mth/sub you'd better enforce your rights as the vendor to prevent someone from watching. When vendors are willing to accept lower revenues from non-exclusivity then you'll start seeing more multi-platform content. But if content is king and service operators want exclusivity to drive $ and eyeballs then we're all st out of luck.

The multi-year agreement between Sky and Discovery was signed in 2015. So its probably up for renewal soon (typically 3 year terms) and if Discovery are happier with a lower price then you may get your wish. But if Discovery choose to maximise profits then there is every chance nothing will change for you.

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#2097419 27-Sep-2018 12:03

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Its the cats ones that need that storage!

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