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  Reply # 2184560 20-Feb-2019 23:23
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I'm considering going although I'd prefer to stay. No F1 means a heavily diluted value now for me. But I'll stick around for the puck announcement, it may come a bit sooner now.

 

Its 750k subscribers now? Years ago it was over 800,000. Thats say 100,000 in a few years, thats not a lot per year despite the graveyard comments every year/month. Over 40% of NZ think its ok

 

 

Imagine if Sky had a product that didn't rely on their hardware that people could run side by side Spark Sport that didn't cost 5x as much!

 

 

With way less than 1/5 the content!

 

God, I love how every single Sky thread devolves into a Sky Bashing thread.

 

 

It is at dig at $100 p/m for the same content (actually less) on a digital platform that they offer on satellite. Without speaking for tdgeek, it might be feasible for them to run Spark Sport next to Sky Sport if Fan Pass pricing was in line with satellite. Whatever defensive business reason you may want to give, it will never make the ridiculous price difference between the two look palatable at a consumer level.

 

 

I'm not 100% sure of where you are going here, so let me know if Ive gone on a tangent. 

 

They want run Spark Sport on Fanpass, Spark took those sports off them.

 

Fanpass pricing is not based on it being a standard product. When people ditch Sky, Fanpass is there to recover some revenue. It is priced at $100 so you wont buy it, as they want you to buy it for 6 months at $60. Its not full Sky Sport as that encourages more to churn. Remember, Sport is the Crown jewel of Sky

 

Sky Sport is $30, subsidised by Basic. Sport should be $60 odd, Both Basics should be $20 odd. 

 

Note that Sky does not compete with Netflix, which I assume what your first sentence refers to. 

 

Let me know if I read your post incorrectly.


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  Reply # 2184563 20-Feb-2019 23:31
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If you want both Basics, and HD ( soon to be free), a great recorder, and sport, yes it is currently 5x as much. You get a wide variety of channels. You can get Sky and Sport for about $55. Soon when they bring their puck, I guess you buy it, and pay $55 and use your BB. You can also just get sport via Fanpass and pay $60 I think for 6 months, or $30 with Spark. 

 

Or another option is don't get Sky

 

 

Nah I was referring to having the ability to run Spark Sport and Fan Pass on (eventually) an Apple TV as an example. But at $20 for SS and $100 for FP (I don't count specials as the raw numbers are what the company thinks it is worth), FP makes that difficult. I was saying imagine if FP was like $30-$50 p/m, then maybe the two could co-exist.

 

Seriously, all I want is content on apps, I don't want a "puck", another set-top box and a dish installed. I have the infrastructure already... I have money to give you!

 

 

Fanpass is already on ATV4, Spark Sport, inside 6 months is what they say for the ATV4 app

 

Fanpass isn't really $100 as per my last post, its $60. Thats a fair price, but it lacks recording, aka OD, and it lacks popups. Otherwise it cannibalises Sky Sport.

 

Fanpass is $60. Spark Sport is $20. I dont know what you mean by co exist, as they will soon co exist, you can buy one, or the other or both. The sports Spark has , have been removed from Sky so they wont coexist on any Sky box. 

 

If you just want apps, Spark will give you that in less than 3 weeks, Sky was down to have that about now, but it's coming. They said that a year ago, so about now. Because of people like you who want apps on their devices, not hardware, plus competition from other services.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2184567 20-Feb-2019 23:43
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I was thinking getting rid of my multi room as well, problem is the room I’d want to remove is the one that powers the dish, relatively speaking multi room is now adding a $25 additional cost, where before compared with having HD ticket was adding $15.

I think the splitter in roof only allows power through one way, other option would be to buy a cheap Freeview receiver I guess and see if it powers dish ok.

I’ll wait for now to see what additional channels get HD, hoping Sky 5 is one of them.

 

 

 

Some time soonish, there will be a full app, no device attached. Your TV, tablet, Chromecast, that will be the ultimate multi room.No, I dont work for Sky or own any shares (phew) everyone wanted competition, and while for some the fragmentation will matter, its also caused Sky to add more value, thats a good thing

 



I have people in the house that are not able to use Netflix, even with a smart TV and Netflix button on remote, so need one Sky Box for them to record and a bit more choice.

The second TV is just me only, which I use Sky for recording. I can live without second box.
I haven’t got round to it but was going to plug hard drive into TV and see how well it does recording, ( be especially good for recording Duke HD), the reminder function on TV works well and unlike Sky it even auto changes channel, good for when having tea and no one near remote.

The puk maybe an option on second TV but for pricing will they recognise that I already have a Sky sub, or will it be like Neon at full rates, which means stuff is only available one TV, or movies for example have to be paid twice, one for box and one for puk if wish to choose what TV.

I’m the same as Dingbatt, don’t have to pay for record which makes decision harder, and one box is a Mysky Plus.

 

We dont know, but based on competition, and people like sdav who just want an app, Sky is under pressure, so they say they will bring out a puck. The puck will be apps, so Sky via broadband. A step further is a full app. You might want sky via the dish with MySky, or instead, a puck, or instead just the app. Im only guessing but Id suggest if you have Sky you can use the app as well, the full app will just be an expanded version of SkyGo, which currently has 26 channels.The full app has everything. 

 

As to prices, the puck isnt an extra Sky, you can have Sky with MySky or with the puck. One sub. Maybe you can pay for the dish version, and buy a puck as well possibly, just speculation. They need to make you happy so you dont churn, thats what my theory is based on, as well as what they said.

 

Having typed these three posts, I sound like the Sky Marketing manager. No. It's just what some of us know from years of anti Sky threads, Sky public information and crunching the numbers, i.e. Financial Reports, also public


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  Reply # 2184581 21-Feb-2019 07:34
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Dingbatt: ............And as far as I know, our MySky was a lump sum, not an ongoing rental, so already have a device. So no point in ditching the recording capability, or the ability to use it at the bach where there is no internet.


You do know that the MySky is not yours? But at the end of the day its generally about cost. What all the bits and pieces add up to



Yes, I do know that. I bet Sky that I would keep the MySky for longer than 40 months (or was it 24 months?) and paid the lump sum rather than an ongoing rental. It has already been replaced at no charge, an advantage of not 'owning' it.

My hope is that if we own multiple pucks that the subscription cost is not a simple multiple, but is a standard, premium, ultra, etc, type model.




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  Reply # 2184586 21-Feb-2019 07:58
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Dingbatt:
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Dingbatt: ............And as far as I know, our MySky was a lump sum, not an ongoing rental, so already have a device. So no point in ditching the recording capability, or the ability to use it at the bach where there is no internet.

 

 

 

You do know that the MySky is not yours? But at the end of the day its generally about cost. What all the bits and pieces add up to

 



Yes, I do know that. I bet Sky that I would keep the MySky for longer than 40 months (or was it 24 months?) and paid the lump sum rather than an ongoing rental. It has already been replaced at no charge, an advantage of not 'owning' it.

My hope is that if we own multiple pucks that the subscription cost is not a simple multiple, but is a standard, premium, ultra, etc, type model.

 

It will be interesting to see if they allow multiple pucks (free multirooms) and how they ensure that they stay in the same home as the subscriber account


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  Reply # 2184597 21-Feb-2019 08:17
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Yes. Otherwise you'll end up with a whole town running off one Sky account.
It is obviously something Netflix are cracking down on at the moment. Difficult to police though.




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  Reply # 2184600 21-Feb-2019 08:20
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Dingbatt: Yes. Otherwise you'll end up with a whole town running off one Sky account.
It is obviously something Netflix are cracking down on at the moment. Difficult to police though.

 

Agree. Like many businesses, if they can't move much on price but they added free added values that quite big. The aim should be "Its still darn expensive, but I've got three pucks, and iPads and so on, the family are chuffed" Not cheaper but better value


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  Reply # 2184716 21-Feb-2019 10:46
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sdav: Imagine if Sky had a product that didn't rely on their hardware that people could run side by side Spark Sport that didn't cost 5x as much!

 

At my house we stream all the Sky, FTA and local OD channels, and Netflix and YouTube, through a single device. There's no need for an antenna or dish or Sky hardware if you have broadband (and you're a Vodafone customer).  Sky Sport costs $25.





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  Reply # 2184737 21-Feb-2019 11:11
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sdav: Imagine if Sky had a product that didn't rely on their hardware that people could run side by side Spark Sport that didn't cost 5x as much!

 

At my house we stream all the Sky, FTA and local OD channels, and Netflix and YouTube, through a single device. There's no need for an antenna or dish or Sky hardware if you have broadband (and you're a Vodafone customer).  Sky Sport costs $25.

 

 

You can just get Sky Sport for $25? No Basics needed?  That's pretty good




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sdav: Imagine if Sky had a product that didn't rely on their hardware that people could run side by side Spark Sport that didn't cost 5x as much!

 

At my house we stream all the Sky, FTA and local OD channels, and Netflix and YouTube, through a single device. There's no need for an antenna or dish or Sky hardware if you have broadband (and you're a Vodafone customer).  Sky Sport costs $25.

 

 

Legally?

 

 


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mclean:

 

sdav: Imagine if Sky had a product that didn't rely on their hardware that people could run side by side Spark Sport that didn't cost 5x as much!

 

At my house we stream all the Sky, FTA and local OD channels, and Netflix and YouTube, through a single device. There's no need for an antenna or dish or Sky hardware if you have broadband (and you're a Vodafone customer).  Sky Sport costs $25.

 

 

Legally?

 

 

 

 

Is called VodafoneTV?  You get Sky Sport for free (compared to the Basic bundle) - so Sky+Sport+adfunded TV is $25/mth more than just taking the ad-funded TV package.

 

 


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  Reply # 2184759 21-Feb-2019 11:33
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That's right they just released a deal, Sport free for 12 months


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We dumped Sky close on a year back now and have been using a combination of Freeview, Netflix and Amazon Prime. Over the last few weeks I have been forced to watch more TV than usual or like and it highlighted something that has bugged me over the last year. I hate digging around and hunting down stuff to watch and with the combination we have been using it seems we spend a long time serching for something that is watchable. Freeview gives us about 15% but takes 30-40% of time due to countless add breaks. Netflix about 20% if I am lucky to find something new and Ok to watch, Prime about 10% and when Grand Tour is finished about 1%. I either endure crap or give up and read a book.

 

I have considered re subbing with Sky of late as it often means less time hunting for something to vege out with and not have to remember is it the TV I use or the PVR or what %^&^% device I need to fiddle with. I know lineal TV is the past but it really is still the simplest way to watch crap. I hate fragmentation and that is what is happening and I really don't think it brings with a good customer experience.

 

Will I ring Sky TV this week? maybe.  





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  Reply # 2184827 21-Feb-2019 13:51
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We dumped Sky close on a year back now and have been using a combination of Freeview, Netflix and Amazon Prime. Over the last few weeks I have been forced to watch more TV than usual or like and it highlighted something that has bugged me over the last year. I hate digging around and hunting down stuff to watch and with the combination we have been using it seems we spend a long time serching for something that is watchable. Freeview gives us about 15% but takes 30-40% of time due to countless add breaks. Netflix about 20% if I am lucky to find something new and Ok to watch, Prime about 10% and when Grand Tour is finished about 1%. I either endure crap or give up and read a book.

 

I have considered re subbing with Sky of late as it often means less time hunting for something to vege out with and not have to remember is it the TV I use or the PVR or what %^&^% device I need to fiddle with. I know lineal TV is the past but it really is still the simplest way to watch crap. I hate fragmentation and that is what is happening and I really don't think it brings with a good customer experience.

 

Will I ring Sky TV this week? maybe.  

 

 

I get that. I find Netflix is like looking in a full and messy drawer of socks for one the looks ok. Then I start and it doesn't remember the episode I'm up to, and no one else is using my profile. Sky I dont watch linear, there is always a bunch of stuff I like that I have series link recorded. Thats the easy to view tidy drawer of socks.


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I also dropped Sky about a year ago and I don't miss it at all, though the point about fragmented viewing and the hassle of finding stuff is valid. Partly because of this, my viewing has changed somewhat. Though I know there will be things that interest me a few clicks away, I am less inclined to go to the trouble to find them. So I tend to watch more Ozzie freeview and other things that @Apsattv and other local heroes have made available on IPTV, which works a lot like simple channel surfing in Kodi and other apps. No adds on ABC, either, and generally less intrusive elsewhere.

 

I truly do not miss Sky at all, I especially do not miss the endless, repetitive promos. Those were really irritating. However, I am not a sports fan and that would make  a difference for those who are.

 

What did I watch on Sky? The Arts Channel  was a big one, but there are alternatives for that. There is a lot of excellent stuff on YouTube and I have subscriptions and filters set up for that, but again, I don't actually use them much. Arte is also a rich source of content, but again, usually too much trouble to search through.

 

We had Sky films but most did not interest me much. The lack of ads was good, though. But there are other legal sources that offer pretty much the same, such as Tubi, and even more if you are prepared to put up with advertising interruptions, like Pluto. SBS is good for quality content, like Rialto, but better. 

 

I mostly used to watch Nat Geo, but there are also good alternatives for that. I liked History before it was taken over by UFOs and WWII rehashes. Some BBC but there are much better sources for that. Having to search around for stuff is still a lot less annoying than those damned promos. 

 

I understand why Sky might be appealing to some people, especially since they have been forced to improve their offerings by competition. But I can't think of anything they might have that I can't find elsewhere, better, cheaper, less restricted. If Sky ever comes up with something better than I already have, I am prepared to consider it, but right now that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

 





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