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  #211766 2-May-2009 19:26
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BuckoNZ:
DjShadow,

If your Sky installer is a "nice guy", he should get back to you.  My install was done on Thur. of this week and I'm expecting to hear back from my installer mid-May for the quad-LNB and cabling.

In respect to TV3, irrespective of what Sky Customer Serives may have told you, the best that Sky HD can offer is 720p.  It should be a considerable step up from standard TV, however if you are comparing it to TV3 via FreeviewHD, it isn't going to be as good.

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Since when has Sky HD been 720p????

FACT - As of about 3 minutes ago the Simpsons was being broadcast in 1080i, on TV3 HD from Sky, with a bit rate of about 11-12 MB average, which is very very comparable to the DVB-T broadcast at exactly the same time.

It is not, and has not ever been 720p.

I would go as far as to say on like for like equipment most people couldn't tell the difference.

This myth continues to be spread that the Freeview signal is superior to Sky's, but it is simply a myth.


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  #211774 2-May-2009 20:24
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My tv is getting a "720p" signal from the HDi box, that could be where the idea is coming from.

Also answered my question about TV3, Sky's own HD channels are using around 13mb of bandwidth, they are only giving TV3 around 6mb so that would answer my earlier question.
Ref http://www.satcodx5.com/1600/eng/

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  #211782 2-May-2009 22:00
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The bit rate on Sky's HD channels is variable and can change dramatically depending on material being broadcast.

See http://www.satcodx5.com/1600/tsbitrate.cgi?16000050000000000540-v




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  #211783 2-May-2009 22:06
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Well that sorts that concern haha
I'll wait for an advertised HD program on TV3 and see how it looks, there are a few tomorrow night

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  #211831 3-May-2009 06:52
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Hi, I just Hope they keep TV1&2 native 720p unless Sky's converters are really good.


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That's a pity that you don't think your guy will come back. I have a good relationship with my Sky installer. I know is technician # and everytime I need somethign done (obviously not that often), I request the same guy.

Where abouts in NZ are you? If you are in the same part of the country as I am, I will put you on to this guy.

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  #211837 3-May-2009 08:08
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RustyGonad:

FACT - As of about 3 minutes ago the Simpsons was being broadcast in 1080i, on TV3 HD from Sky, with a bit rate of about 11-12 MB average, which is very very comparable to the DVB-T broadcast at exactly the same time.


 


Bet it was upscaled SD version as TV3  is only showing repeats and has not shown the 16x9 HD versions yet..





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  #211838 3-May-2009 08:16
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Can anyone tell me if Formula1 is HD? I was thinking of upgrading to MySkyHDi, specifically so I could watch the European races at a more sociable time. Also do you need the $10/month HD ticket to watch sport in HD, or is that only needed for the movie channels?

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Are Sky broadcasting H.264 or MPEG2 for their HD content?




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old3eyes:
RustyGonad:



FACT - As of about 3 minutes ago the Simpsons was being broadcast in 1080i, on TV3 HD from Sky, with a bit rate of about 11-12 MB average, which is very very comparable to the DVB-T broadcast at exactly the same time.





 





Bet it was upscaled SD version as TV3  is only showing repeats and has not shown the 16x9 HD versions yet..




Yep - stock as a block 4:3 SD Simpsons.

Using DVBViewer as the measuring tool.

Same DVBViewer with the DVB-T signal, reported bit rates within the same boundaries.

If Sky are altering the TV3 bitrate as some people allude to, I certainly wasn't seeing it last nite.

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lchiu7: Are Sky broadcasting H.264 or MPEG2 for their HD content?


1080i H.264 on all channels.

Using DVBViewer as the reporting tool Movies & SM Greats will typically run in the 8-15 MB range, Sport often peaks as high as 21 MB during domestic HD sport coverage.  As openmedia has mentioned bitrates vary greatly depending on content being broadcast.






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lchiu7: Are Sky broadcasting H.264 or MPEG2 for their HD content?


1080i H.264 on all channels.

Using DVBViewer as the reporting tool Movies & SM Greats will typically run in the 8-15 MB range, Sport often peaks as high as 21 MB during domestic HD sport coverage.  As openmedia has mentioned bitrates vary greatly depending on content being broadcast.







Well that's going to make the retransmission of TVNZ interesting since as noted, TVNZ use 720p. Of course if TVNZ provide a unencoded feed of their signal Sky could do what they want with it. Have no idea is that is the case but they wouldn't just put putting up a UHF antenna and getting the signal that way :)




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That's a pity that you don't think your guy will come back. I have a good relationship with my Sky installer. I know is technician # and everytime I need somethign done (obviously not that often), I request the same guy.

Where abouts in NZ are you? If you are in the same part of the country as I am, I will put you on to this guy.


I'm in Hamilton, the installer who put this box in is from Hills Signal Master

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DjShadow: Bugger. I'm in Wellington.

RustyGonad:  I think you'll find the HD stream from the satelite to your dish has a max. resolution of 720p. If you are getting 1080i on tyour TV, then it's the set-top-box doing the upscaling, which isn't worth a damn - it would be better that the Pace box leave the 720p signal "as is".

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DjShadow: Bugger. I'm in Wellington.

RustyGonad:  I think you'll find the HD stream from the satelite to your dish has a max. resolution of 720p. If you are getting 1080i on tyour TV, then it's the set-top-box doing the upscaling, which isn't worth a damn - it would be better that the Pace box leave the 720p signal "as is".


My STB doesn't do any upscaling, its sitting in a cupboard with the power off... It collects dust, but thats about it. Smile

You need to do your research again. 

The broadcast signal is 1080i using H.264.  That is, its 1920x1080 interlaced resolution.  Exactly the same resolution that TV3 use over DVB-T.

This is disctinctly different from 720p or 1280x720 progessive scan that TV ONE and TV2 use on DVB-T.

This has been discussed in Geekzone many times...

Feel free to do some more investigation if you like...

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