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Topic # 46101 5-Nov-2009 15:47
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Hi,
I am in need of some assistance. I have just had MySky installed but am unable to transfer recordings to DVD. I like to keep stuff to watch later but there is only so much you can store on a hard drive.

I have a Sony DVD recorder and although I can record the program from the decoder, it won't transfer to DVD. It shows the caption " replace disc with DVD-RW in VR mode". I have done this but the caption keeps appearing and I am unable to record to DVD.

Is there any way round this? If not, I will cancel my contract for MySky and go back to the original decoder.


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  Reply # 270384 5-Nov-2009 16:03
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Welcome to the world of copy protection. Please take a number and we'll be with you shortly. :)

There are plenty of topics on this on here, try the search option.

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  Reply # 270414 5-Nov-2009 17:35
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Format shifting of video content is illegal New Zealand. This means that copying a recorded show from MySky to a DVD is actually breaking the law!

The outputs of the MySky have copy protection on them for most content. This means the DVD player will detect this copy protection and refuse to copy the content. The only way around this is to use a device to remove this copy protection which once again is potentially in breach of the law but can be readily done.

 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 270456 5-Nov-2009 19:58
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Hypothetically, how could this be done?

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Reply # 270465 5-Nov-2009 20:18
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Peter28: Hypothetically, how could this be done?


Ironically, we can't talk about such things.. else we'd be assisting you to break the law.

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  Reply # 270473 5-Nov-2009 20:40
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it seems to be the HDD DVD recorders that cause grief, other than downscaling it, I have found it works OK with my old disc only DVD recorder.

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  Reply # 271616 10-Nov-2009 12:48
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Peter28: Hypothetically, how could this be done?

Of course is is not illegal to talk about it.  I believe Sky are using Macrovision which requires compatible firmware on both the MySkyHDi box and the DVD recorder.  There are many ways to defeat it.  For example a DVD recorder without it (such as many of the older devices as most of the brand name ones in the last several years seem to have it) or instal a video stablilizer, such as one mentioned in another forum here.

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  Reply # 271906 11-Nov-2009 07:29
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sbiddle: Format shifting of video content is illegal New Zealand. This means that copying a recorded show from MySky to a DVD is actually breaking the law!

The outputs of the MySky have copy protection on them for most content. This means the DVD player will detect this copy protection and refuse to copy the content. The only way around this is to use a device to remove this copy protection which once again is potentially in breach of the law but can be readily done.


Does this copy protection affect video out from MySky that is transferred (by cable) to another TV in another room in the house? At present, we can do this with the old Sky decoder, but if we got MySky, would we still be able to see the signal on the TV in the other room? If you can do this, would HD content still be in HD on our second TV? Thanks for your help.

Regards
Fred 



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  Reply # 271940 11-Nov-2009 09:40
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The MySky decoder does not have any co-axial cable output. I discovered this when mine was installed. I also had a cable connection to another room, but can't use it now. Possibly a way round this is if you have a DVD recorder or video connected to the decoder and then run a co-axial from either of these. Otherwise, AV connections should do the trick.

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  Reply # 271955 11-Nov-2009 10:30
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Yes the MySkyHDi box does not have an RF Out socket like most of the standard Sky decoders do. An option is to purchase an RF Modulator. That takes component input from MySkyHDi (3 x RCA - red, white and yellow) and outputs to a standard TV co-axial socket which can be used to feed another device or feed to other rooms via your existing co-axial household cabling.

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  Reply # 272021 11-Nov-2009 13:15
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login: Yes the MySkyHDi box does not have an RF Out socket like most of the standard Sky decoders do. An option is to purchase an RF Modulator. That takes component input from MySkyHDi (3 x RCA - red, white and yellow) and outputs to a standard TV co-axial socket which can be used to feed another device or feed to other rooms via your existing co-axial household cabling.


Thanks very much for your replies. So, would any HD output, after it has been through the RF modulator, remain as HD quality when it is viewed on the second TV (assuming this is a full HD TV)?

And, if you were to connect a DVD recorder to the output, after it has been through the RF modulator, would you be able to make a DVD of this output, or would it still be in a "copy protected" form?

Regards
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  Reply # 272029 11-Nov-2009 13:28
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frednz:
login: Yes the MySkyHDi box does not have an RF Out socket like most of the standard Sky decoders do. An option is to purchase an RF Modulator. That takes component input from MySkyHDi (3 x RCA - red, white and yellow) and outputs to a standard TV co-axial socket which can be used to feed another device or feed to other rooms via your existing co-axial household cabling.


Thanks very much for your replies. So, would any HD output, after it has been through the RF modulator, remain as HD quality when it is viewed on the second TV (assuming this is a full HD TV)?



Unlikely, most retail RF modulators will spit out 576i PAL.

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  Reply # 272035 11-Nov-2009 13:41
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So, would any HD output, after it has been through the RF modulator, remain as HD quality when it is viewed on the second TV (assuming this is a full HD TV)?


Output frpm RF modulator is in standard definition.


And, if you were to connect a DVD recorder to the output, after it has been through the RF modulator, would you be able to make a DVD of this output, or would it still be in a "copy protected" form?


Good question.  I have not tried this. But because the macrovision copy protection is not stripped from the signal by the modulator I would think the signal will still be copy protected.  So you will still need a video stabilizer to be able to record.  Or else a recorder that does not have CP implemented in the firmware.

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  Reply # 272053 11-Nov-2009 14:37
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I think the SD outputs are not copy protected,

On page 71 of the user manual they specifically mention connecting a VCR device to the SCART output.

http://www.skytv.co.nz/Portals/0/data/images/High_Definition/B248-User-Iss1-Web.pdf


This would seem the easiest way to conenct as their are a variety of SCART breakout cables available at little cost, and avoids the need for a RF modulator.

http://search.dse.co.nz/search?w=scart&sessionid=4afa157d00c18eee273fc0a87f3b0716&asug=sc


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  Reply # 272064 11-Nov-2009 15:25
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Well, I'm no expert and I haven't tried it yet but if removing the copy protection from a video signal was as easy as inserting an RF modulator into the output, I would have though there would be no market for video stabilizers.

Anyway, here's a link to a site that seems to indicate that a modulator will not remove copy protection.

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  Reply # 272068 11-Nov-2009 15:52
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Except RF modulator quality is even worse than composite?

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