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#330121 14-May-2010 14:07

SepticSceptic:

Would you play $70 for the right to watch just the World Cup 2010? Thats the price for the event in Singapore.

Yep, I would, as long as it covered all pool games and finals, and be in HD.

Still, it would be cheaper just to subscribe to the sports channel for the duration, assuming that I have an existing basic subscription.

But thats not the offer in Singapore. Basic subscription doesnt entitle you to the event. Its a pure PPV.

Lets use a few offshore examples to build your hypothetical lineup as an a la carte:

You get Super 14 (its moot but most likely out of market only - ie not those games played in your local town): $99 for the season. This is half the current price of the MLB season.
You add Super 14 finals (cos typically thats an additional package) - $35. This is half the current price of the NHL finals series.
You want to see the Tri-nations - $35. Its got to be as valuable as a post-season of a domestic competition, right?

AirNZ Cup? Its more games over 2 tiers but lets say $99. I'll be generous and say that includes the finals.

In 2011 you're going to have to pay for the RWC - bigger than Trinations so lets take Fifa World Cup 2010 as a guide. $70.

To watch all your rugby this year - excluding any live home games (you'll get to see the replays). $169 without the AirNZ Cup and $268 with AirNZ Cup. Thats all your games from Feb to Oct at $20/mth or $33.50/mth.

No additional sport available (or they put it in the Basic tier as per ESPN which is typical in the US market).
Feel like value for money?
Or would you not bother cos you only watch the occasional game and $20 or $33 per month seems a bit of a waste?

ockel

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#330124 14-May-2010 14:13

And BTW you cant by the sport events on that PPV basis without having at least the minimum Digital Starter package. Thats the setup with all the providers in the US - cable, satellite and telco.

But NZ has a monopoly provider so it must be different, right?

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#330137 14-May-2010 14:37

Asmodeus: ... It's a shame they repeat stuff so much ...

That brings up an interesting scenario: With Sky Digital, they get away with repeating stuff all the time because a viewer might not be able to watch a particular movie at a particular time. If you miss it at 8:30pm on Saturday night you can catch the sixth replay at 9:00pm the following Thursday. Of course, if everyone had MY SKY with with PVR (and I'm sure Sky would be happy if everyone upgraded) people would just record what they wanted when it was on, and watch it when it's convenient. No need to repeat anything...

Zippity

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#330172 14-May-2010 15:46

How I spend my $$$$$ is my business.

If you don't like Sky, why tell the rest of us?

I don't like rhubarb. Do you hear me bleating to the world about it?

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#330180 14-May-2010 16:20

You would need to start a new post for rhubarb......... BTW if you did, I wouldn't reply to that - just like you don't need to reply to this post.

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#330183 14-May-2010 16:33

ockel: And BTW you cant by the sport events on that PPV basis without having at least the minimum Digital Starter package. Thats the setup with all the providers in the US - cable, satellite and telco.

But NZ has a monopoly provider so it must be different, right?

Hmm, will the WRC 2011 be a PPV for hi-def content ? Tri-D even ? By 2011 there will be a small percentage of 3D TV's in the country, and no doubt if RWC 2011 3D was heavily promoted, there would be a fair few new punters aquiring 3D sets just for the RWC.

RWC is broadcast free to air on Maori TV, and others - I don't think Sky has the monopoly on RWC 2011, so the point is moot.

mmm, Apple and Rhubarb crumble ..... yummy ....

My thoughts are no longer my own and is probably representative of our media-controlled government

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#330191 14-May-2010 16:57

See, I just don't like Rhubarb. it looks yuck, it tastes yuck and frankly it should be outlawed.

I do however, like Roast Potatoes.

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ockel

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#330280 15-May-2010 05:41

andrew027:
Asmodeus: ... It's a shame they repeat stuff so much ...

That brings up an interesting scenario: With Sky Digital, they get away with repeating stuff all the time because a viewer might not be able to watch a particular movie at a particular time. If you miss it at 8:30pm on Saturday night you can catch the sixth replay at 9:00pm the following Thursday. Of course, if everyone had MY SKY with with PVR (and I'm sure Sky would be happy if everyone upgraded) people would just record what they wanted when it was on, and watch it when it's convenient. No need to repeat anything...

Rambo First Blood on every 8pm for a whole week on a Comcast channel a little while ago.
A whole channel devoted to repeats of CSI's, Law and Orders - when its not infomercials.

In a market with PVR penetration ~40%. No need to repeat anything and yet........

ockel

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#330281 15-May-2010 05:54

SepticSceptic:
ockel: And BTW you cant by the sport events on that PPV basis without having at least the minimum Digital Starter package. Thats the setup with all the providers in the US - cable, satellite and telco.

But NZ has a monopoly provider so it must be different, right?

Hmm, will the WRC 2011 be a PPV for hi-def content ? Tri-D even ? By 2011 there will be a small percentage of 3D TV's in the country, and no doubt if RWC 2011 3D was heavily promoted, there would be a fair few new punters aquiring 3D sets just for the RWC.

RWC is broadcast free to air on Maori TV, and others - I don't think Sky has the monopoly on RWC 2011, so the point is moot.

mmm, Apple and Rhubarb crumble ..... yummy ....

I dont think RWC would be in 3D. I cant see Sky (or any broadcaster) duplicating 20 odd cameras per ground purely for 3D without being fully funded by the camera/tv manufacturers. Someone might want to correct me but I dont think you can take 3D feed and transform it into a 2D feed (at this stage). Its not like upscaling/downscaling for SD/HD. So spending millions of dollars on 3D equipment for a few heavily promoted sets with the extra $150 chip but a $3000 price premium for those willing to line a manufacturers product? Not sensible business me thinks.

I think you'll find that WRC 2011 will be broadcast HD on Sky in NZ. And the TriNations already is. If you dont have a HD ticket then subscribe for the months that these events are on and unsubscribe afterwards.

Sky will have all the games for the RWC how about Maori TV? ESPN is carrying some NHL playoff games but if you want all the finals then stump up the extra cash. How is this different? I'm not sure. FTA's carry a few games of NFL per week but if you want to watch all the games every week then pay for the NFL GamePass. Again paytv doesnt have a monopoly on NFL. So how is the point moot?

I dont think we appreciate the value we get in the sports tier. For $20/mth on top of the basic we get ALL rugby games, ALL NRL games, a fair swag of EPL games, enough golf to make your eyes bleed plus a host of other sports. When you consider the other options illustrated around the world we dont do too bad,

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#330330 15-May-2010 10:58

tdgeek: "History Channel ? Don't you mean World War two Channel "

He means the History Channel

Ricky Gervais on his stand up DVD 'Animals' does a good gag about the Discovery Channel consisting entirely of 'Sharks and Nazi's'...

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#330332 15-May-2010 11:01

I dont think RWC would be in 3D. I cant see Sky (or any broadcaster) duplicating 20 odd cameras per ground purely for 3D without being fully funded by the camera/tv manufacturers.

I'm almost certain I heard SKY come out and say it won't be in 3D...

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#330428 15-May-2010 17:12

It might be at the movie threatres. Think Sony is helping fund it, something heard while go can't remember where. If I thought sky wasn't worth it, wouldn't have it. Don't think non mysky is worth it, but sky has lot more HD then free to air, every movie just about on movies 1 and greats, DD5.1 on all HD channels, only TV3 on freeview. Even when netball on freeview and same time sky, HD on sky not freeview. Way I see it freeviews attitude to HD helping sky grow. So I have sky not for increase in choice of more add filled channels but because they seem more comitted to HD and DD5.1

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#330435 15-May-2010 17:35

The problem is that SKY is the only way to legally get certain content, e.g. Formula 1 or some rugby.

But I personally don't want ANY of the other content they provide - yet I have no option.

It's rather obnoxious, and akin to going to a store for milk, but not being able to buy it without buying bread, eggs, and cereal, even though you never eat the latter three.

I'm happy to pay for my content, but its just that - I'm not happy to pay for content I don't want!

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#330462 15-May-2010 18:26

Spronkey The problem is that SKY is the only way to legally get certain content, e.g. Formula 1 or some rugby.

You need to ask other TV providers to provide that content. Sly is not a monopoly, not all providers have identical content.

Zippity

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#330485 15-May-2010 19:41

Remember the good old days when free-to-air TV (the channels all those whinging about Sky love so much) brought us "live" Formula One motor racing?

Remember how they always went over to the "ads" when the racing was just about to get exciting or when one of the leading protagonists veered off the racetrack into the tyre wall?

Well guess what?

You get none of that krap from Sky

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