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  # 382695 21-Sep-2010 14:20
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magu: FTTH can't come soon enough.


Now thats another topic of debate Wink 

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  # 382699 21-Sep-2010 14:38
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NZCoderGuy: In New Zealand the only competitor is FreeView HD and its not much to compare with.
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I don't know why freeview insisted on trying to 'compete' with Sky.  It just made no sense at all as they have totally different content.  Anyone dropping sky sport/movie packages to go to freeview is not going to be happy with what they get.  Freeview should have been more government back, and just how the future of free to air TV in NZ was going to be, not some weird business model.

I refuse to get sky because a) I can't afford it anyway (mian reason really), but b) because they are a total rip with no real competition at all in NZ.  I mean $50 for a 'base' package of crap and then still more for sport or movies etc just gets silly.

 
 
 
 


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  # 382700 21-Sep-2010 14:40
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1. FTTH and Pacific Fibre bring the internet speeds up and the prices down
2. Open a Netflix-style streaming service of movies and TV shows
3. ???
4. Profit




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  # 382701 21-Sep-2010 14:41
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magu:
newznz: It wouldn't be hard to leave in the dust anything Sky NZ does.


You can say that again. Charging extra for the decoder to watch HD content AND extra for the content itself is outright robbery.



So Foxtel charges $10/mth for the decoder (plus $200 upfront).   And then charges $16/mth for the HD content.

Sounds like Foxtel is daylight robbery too.

If I want all the Foxtel channels (Sport, Movies) with 2 HD PPV's per month worth $12 (I dont get the option of not getting this if I want all the HD movie channels) then I'm paying AUD$135/mth.  Plus the $200 upfront.  Small print quotes a minimum spend of $1820 for 12 months or $151/mth

In NZ its NZD115/mth.  Plus $99 install.  Or $123/mth for 12 months.

Extra $25/mth for the extra HD channels.  Cheap, fair or daylight robbery?  You be the judge.


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  # 382708 21-Sep-2010 14:54
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I'm counting 8 HD channels on Sky (correct me if I'm wrong: 4 Movies, 4 Sports).

25 HD channels on Foxtel, but how many are subscription-only (eg. Discovery, Animal Planet)?

I couldn't follow your maths. You switch from AUD to NZD and then back, kinda confusing.

I'll assume it's:

Sky - $123/mth with 8 HD channels
Foxtel - $151/mth with 25 HD channels

It's closer, but still a no-brainer on the content.




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  # 382737 21-Sep-2010 15:43
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magu: I'm counting 8 HD channels on Sky (correct me if I'm wrong: 4 Movies, 4 Sports).

25 HD channels on Foxtel, but how many are subscription-only (eg. Discovery, Animal Planet)?

I couldn't follow your maths. You switch from AUD to NZD and then back, kinda confusing.

I'll assume it's:

Sky - $123/mth with 8 HD channels
Foxtel - $151/mth with 25 HD channels

It's closer, but still a no-brainer on the content.


Sorry, my bad.  But you interpreted correctly.
Can I ask how you get to 25 HD channels for Foxtel?

Fox8
W
UKTV
Movie One
Starpics 1 and 2
Showtime Prem
Showcase
Showtime Action
Discovery
NatGeo
ESPN
FoxSports 1/2/3
Plus Box Office (which is the equiv of OnDemand in NZ).   

Thats 15 HD channels - even as claimed by Foxtel.  There are 3 HD channels that you can get with the basic package - ie $42/mth for the basic plus $16/mth for the HD plus $10/mth for the IQ.  The others are associated with the respective packages (ie to get HD movies, you need the movie package).  Same as NZ.

And I think you're overstating the Sky HD channels.  Sport 1/2, Movies 1/2.  Thats 4 channels in NZ vs 15 channels in Australia.  So $28/mth extra for 11 extra HD channels in Australia.

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  # 382740 21-Sep-2010 15:46
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magu: I'm counting 8 HD channels on Sky (correct me if I'm wrong: 4 Movies, 4 Sports).

25 HD channels on Foxtel, but how many are subscription-only (eg. Discovery, Animal Planet)?

I couldn't follow your maths. You switch from AUD to NZD and then back, kinda confusing.

I'll assume it's:

Sky - $123/mth with 8 HD channels
Foxtel - $151/mth with 25 HD channels

It's closer, but still a no-brainer on the content.



If you really want in all in NZD then Foxtel is NZD$190/mth vs Sky at $123/mth.
But currency is moot really.

 
 
 
 


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  # 382741 21-Sep-2010 15:46
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magu: I'm counting 8 HD channels on Sky (correct me if I'm wrong: 4 Movies, 4 Sports).

25 HD channels on Foxtel, but how many are subscription-only (eg. Discovery, Animal Planet)?

I couldn't follow your maths. You switch from AUD to NZD and then back, kinda confusing.

I'll assume it's:

Sky - $123/mth with 8 HD channels
Foxtel - $151/mth with 25 HD channels

It's closer, but still a no-brainer on the content.


Sorry, my bad.  But you interpreted correctly.
Can I ask how you get to 25 HD channels for Foxtel?

Fox8
W
UKTV
Movie One
Starpics 1 and 2
Showtime Prem
Showcase
Showtime Action
Discovery
NatGeo
ESPN
FoxSports 1/2/3
Plus Box Office (which is the equiv of OnDemand in NZ).   

Thats 15 HD channels - even as claimed by Foxtel.  There are 3 HD channels that you can get with the basic package - ie $42/mth for the basic plus $16/mth for the HD plus $10/mth for the IQ.  The others are associated with the respective packages (ie to get HD movies, you need the movie package).  Same as NZ.

And I think you're overstating the Sky HD channels.  Sport 1/2, Movies 1/2.  Thats 4 channels in NZ vs 15 channels in Australia.  So $28/mth extra for 11 extra HD channels in Australia.


I'm going by the amount the OP stated.

11 channels for $28/mth is still a good improvement. 




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  # 382748 21-Sep-2010 16:05
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magu:
ockel:
magu: I'm counting 8 HD channels on Sky (correct me if I'm wrong: 4 Movies, 4 Sports).

25 HD channels on Foxtel, but how many are subscription-only (eg. Discovery, Animal Planet)?

I couldn't follow your maths. You switch from AUD to NZD and then back, kinda confusing.

I'll assume it's:

Sky - $123/mth with 8 HD channels
Foxtel - $151/mth with 25 HD channels

It's closer, but still a no-brainer on the content.


Sorry, my bad.  But you interpreted correctly.
Can I ask how you get to 25 HD channels for Foxtel?

Fox8
W
UKTV
Movie One
Starpics 1 and 2
Showtime Prem
Showcase
Showtime Action
Discovery
NatGeo
ESPN
FoxSports 1/2/3
Plus Box Office (which is the equiv of OnDemand in NZ).   

Thats 15 HD channels - even as claimed by Foxtel.  There are 3 HD channels that you can get with the basic package - ie $42/mth for the basic plus $16/mth for the HD plus $10/mth for the IQ.  The others are associated with the respective packages (ie to get HD movies, you need the movie package).  Same as NZ.

And I think you're overstating the Sky HD channels.  Sport 1/2, Movies 1/2.  Thats 4 channels in NZ vs 15 channels in Australia.  So $28/mth extra for 11 extra HD channels in Australia.


I'm going by the amount the OP stated.

11 channels for $28/mth is still a good improvement. 


Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.  Going from 15 HD channels in Aust to 19 plus a 3D channel.  And no word as yet from Foxtel whether there will be any price adjustments on Nov 1 when the new channels are added...... 

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  # 382775 21-Sep-2010 16:46
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ockel:
magu:
ockel:
magu: I'm counting 8 HD channels on Sky (correct me if I'm wrong: 4 Movies, 4 Sports).

25 HD channels on Foxtel, but how many are subscription-only (eg. Discovery, Animal Planet)?

I couldn't follow your maths. You switch from AUD to NZD and then back, kinda confusing.

I'll assume it's:

Sky - $123/mth with 8 HD channels
Foxtel - $151/mth with 25 HD channels

It's closer, but still a no-brainer on the content.


Sorry, my bad.  But you interpreted correctly.
Can I ask how you get to 25 HD channels for Foxtel?

Fox8
W
UKTV
Movie One
Starpics 1 and 2
Showtime Prem
Showcase
Showtime Action
Discovery
NatGeo
ESPN
FoxSports 1/2/3
Plus Box Office (which is the equiv of OnDemand in NZ).   

Thats 15 HD channels - even as claimed by Foxtel.  There are 3 HD channels that you can get with the basic package - ie $42/mth for the basic plus $16/mth for the HD plus $10/mth for the IQ.  The others are associated with the respective packages (ie to get HD movies, you need the movie package).  Same as NZ.

And I think you're overstating the Sky HD channels.  Sport 1/2, Movies 1/2.  Thats 4 channels in NZ vs 15 channels in Australia.  So $28/mth extra for 11 extra HD channels in Australia.


I'm going by the amount the OP stated.

11 channels for $28/mth is still a good improvement. 


Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.  Going from 15 HD channels in Aust to 19 plus a 3D channel.  And no word as yet from Foxtel whether there will be any price adjustments on Nov 1 when the new channels are added...... 


I would pay another $25pm for:

Discovery HD
Nat Geo HD
Sky Movies 2 HD
Sky Sport 3 HD
ESPN HD
UKTV HD
Prime HD

this would use 1 tp.




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  # 382805 21-Sep-2010 17:32
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Skytv is bit like telecom in a way. where telecom had broadband and there not no where to run but telecom to the govt open them up. skytv in the other hand is doing the same thing. offing s**t servce to the govt go in and bracks it it.




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# 382809 21-Sep-2010 17:38
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cws82us: Skytv is bit like telecom in a way. where telecom had broadband and there not no where to run but telecom to the govt open them up. skytv in the other hand is doing the same thing. offing s**t servce to the govt go in and bracks it it.

huh?

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  # 382810 21-Sep-2010 17:39
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cws82us: Skytv is bit like telecom in a way. where telecom had broadband and there not no where to run but telecom to the govt open them up. skytv in the other hand is doing the same thing. offing s**t servce to the govt go in and bracks it it.


It is not the same as Telecom was handed the the copper wire/maybe some fibre, Sky started up on its own making a large loss at the start




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  # 382819 21-Sep-2010 18:00
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Like this to make it easyer
telecom had no competition
and skytv got no competition
when the competition then its better




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  # 382876 21-Sep-2010 20:38
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at least according to Wiki, Sky are doing very nicely thank you very much....

FOXTEL
Revenue A$165 million
Profit A$73 million

SKY NEW ZEALAND
Revenue: NZ$692.0 million
Profit: NZ$88.1 million

So claiming poverty is hardly an issue.

They are just sitting on their hands raking in the dosh for their share holders right now it seems (fair enough for a publicly traded company I guess)

There is no incentive or need it seems for them to dig in to their pockets and pay for more HD. The excuse the D1 is full is sitting quite nicely with them so far.


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