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  Reply # 1006804 16-Mar-2014 18:08
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joker97: Oops if Adrian said it it must be true. But 3kg out of his head? 3kg from his waist and thigh fat surely increases the cog by more head weight percentage? Just guessing I have not made the calculations


I could have got it wrong but pretty sure he mentioned CoG. They have ballast they can dip into for driver weight, but if Ricciardo lost 3kg from his body, I assume that will be in thighs/stomach, so if that 3Kg was gone, the weight can stay in the ballast I guess which I assume would be low, at plank level or close? Between F1 and MH370 a lot of unknowns!



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  Reply # 1006841 16-Mar-2014 19:30
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A few of the big names out already.

The sound is like a low revving F1 car, interspersed with the sound of a dentists drill on the breaking downshifts.


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  Reply # 1006885 16-Mar-2014 21:11
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Jaxson: A few of the big names out already.

The sound is like a low revving F1 car, interspersed with the sound of a dentists drill on the breaking downshifts.



Yep, they are allowed to run 15k, but are running about 12k 

Interesting race, the main teams got away with points, so no damage done. Ferrari not great though, well done to the Dane, and RBR who I have followed for years got away with  full race laps.

Hamilton was running on 5 which he apparently knew at the start, as did Vettel who had engine only, no 2 x ERS systems. And after last year with zero podiums, Mclaren leads the constructors.

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  Reply # 1006918 16-Mar-2014 21:30
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I guess this has proved one thing and solved it for conspiracists

Mark had not been given an inferior car to seb, and he was one of the unluckiest f1 drivers of all time. The other I think was nico?




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  Reply # 1006930 16-Mar-2014 21:42
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joker97: I guess this has proved one thing and solved it for conspiracists

Mark had not been given an inferior car to seb, and he was one of the unluckiest f1 drivers of all time. The other I think was nico?


Well, I liked Mark. he was a very very good driver, could mix it with most, although to be fair Seb broke him the last two years. His major failure was throwing away the Championship at Suzuka a few years back.

Nico? Rosberg?  He's good but never had a real car, but he has now, thats why the Hamilton/Rosberg race this year will tell the tale. They both won't give an inch, now that will be fun.

I reckon both Mercedes will just draw away the next few races, Red Bull will probably be the next team, but well behind.  I felt Ricciardo was relatively comfortably ahead of Magnusson, they still seem to have the edge on mechanical and aero grip. Sepang will be just as interesting 

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  Reply # 1006944 16-Mar-2014 22:04
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Back on topic again.

Good:  I'm liking that we've got the option for the two popup channels again for the first few races.
Bad:  I hate that Sky insist on putting SS6 as as SkyGO only channel.  SkyGo is a low quality sh*thouse feed that isn't even worth watching.  Especially annoying since they put the onboard channel on there.  That's the more interesting of the two.  I guess they did that as the the text on the pitlane channel would be unreadable as it'd be so pixelated.

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allstarnz: Back on topic again.

Good:  I'm liking that we've got the option for the two popup channels again for the first few races.
Bad:  I hate that Sky insist on putting SS6 as as SkyGO only channel.  SkyGo is a low quality sh*thouse feed that isn't even worth watching.  Especially annoying since they put the onboard channel on there.  That's the more interesting of the two.  I guess they did that as the the text on the pitlane channel would be unreadable as it'd be so pixelated.


The SkyGo on my iPad Air was not bad at all, but I turned it off, was distracting to have my TV on the main feed, and my iPad sitting on my laptop going BRRRRRRR  BRRRRRR BRRRRRR  

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Zippity:
ScuL:
Despite having been a huge fan of F1 during the 90's I'm proud to say I haven't watched a single race in 3 years and won't be watching one any time soon until the sport changes back to what it's supposed to be about: racing.


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No I think it's hugely detrimental to the sport. A large part of the fan-base during previous years is turning away from F1 because of the increasingly goofy regulations and the fact that races are being held in places where motor-sport is far from popular. You should read the reactions on Top Gear UK after this mornings race.
I'll tune back in after Ecclestone has passed away hopefully that will change it back into a sport.




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  Reply # 1007013 17-Mar-2014 08:27
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ScuL:

No I think it's hugely detrimental to the sport. A large part of the fan-base during previous years is turning away from F1 because of the increasingly goofy regulations and the fact that races are being held in places where motor-sport is far from popular. You should read the reactions on Top Gear UK after this mornings race.
I'll tune back in after Ecclestone has passed away hopefully that will change it back into a sport.


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  Reply # 1007086 17-Mar-2014 10:10
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joker97: Oops if Adrian said it it must be true. But 3kg out of his head? 3kg from his waist and thigh fat surely increases the cog by more head weight percentage? Just guessing I have not made the calculations


I could have got it wrong but pretty sure he mentioned CoG. They have ballast they can dip into for driver weight, but if Ricciardo lost 3kg from his body, I assume that will be in thighs/stomach, so if that 3Kg was gone, the weight can stay in the ballast I guess which I assume would be low, at plank level or close? Between F1 and MH370 a lot of unknowns!


Yep - this is the reason.

Most (if not all) driver + car combinations on the grid weigh less than the minimum permitted weight.  They use ballast plates (like lead weights, but usually made of Tungsten which is almost twice as heavy as lead!!) to bring the package up to the regulation weight.

The more ballast they have to play with, the better they can tune the CoG, and the balance/handling of the car to suit individual circuits.

So - the lighter the driver, the more tunable the overall package.


Re. Melbourne:
- I'm not a fan of the new sound.  But I'll get over it.
- I don't like F1 turning into an Eco race.  Not sure I'll get over that.
- Great to see Ricciardo & Magnussen on the podium!
- Looks like Mercedes might buid up a bit of a headstart in the first half of the season.  (reliability issues aside)

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  Reply # 1007103 17-Mar-2014 10:25
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I don't think the sound transfers well over the TV.




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  Reply # 1007110 17-Mar-2014 10:35
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magu: I don't think the sound transfers well over the TV.


I like the tyre noise, bit of atmosphere, but the engine sounds like its cruising rather than racing. I know they are using 12000 rpm of the allowed 15000 but it doesnt sound fast



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  Reply # 1007119 17-Mar-2014 10:42
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I do wonder how the historical greats would view a modern configuration of the sport.

DRS to help with overtakes.
Double points for the final race/s.
No re fueling.
Limits on how much fuel you can have.
Needing to not attack for many laps so you can build up enough of a buffer to race hard for a few laps near the end.
Tyres designed to fail markedly after 10 laps or so.

F1 always does have an issue in that to make it exciting you have to provide the opportunity to make mistakes. If you take that opportunity away, which modern electronics essentially does, you have a very processional race. Frankly eco and race are mutually opposed concepts. Just like energy saving and cost reduction can be also, with it costing a lot more than the potential savings to buy a low energy device.

What we are seeing nowadays is people playing the long game in the races, rather than racing nonstop from wo to go.


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Jaxson: Frankly eco and race are mutually opposed concepts.


It's ironic really that the fuel expended to get all the teams and gear and fans to the Grand Prix is several orders of magnitude greater than the amount of fuel consumed by the F1 cars throughout the weekend...

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Jaxson: I do wonder how the historical greats would view a modern configuration of the sport.

DRS to help with overtakes.
Double points for the final race/s.
No re fueling.
Limits on how much fuel you can have.
Needing to not attack for many laps so you can build up enough of a buffer to race hard for a few laps near the end.
Tyres designed to fail markedly after 10 laps or so.

F1 always does have an issue in that to make it exciting you have to provide the opportunity to make mistakes. If you take that opportunity away, which modern electronics essentially does, you have a very processional race. Frankly eco and race are mutually opposed concepts. Just like energy saving and cost reduction can be also, with it costing a lot more than the potential savings to buy a low energy device.

What we are seeing nowadays is people playing the long game in the races, rather than racing nonstop from wo to go.



I partly agree. The worst things ever done is limiting fuel, so they now drive to a MPG rating, and traction control which was removed in 08.
DRS I am ok with as its hard to pass as you lose much downforce once you ctach the guy you are clearly faster than, then you stay behind him for 20 laps. Its good to take that away from the race. The tyres are better now, thats a help.

Yesterday there was no fuel limits to affect the race, so the race had action, that is ONLY to do with the safety car. One day, there will be a race where they race for 10, then cruise for the majority of the race then race the last 10 laps. Or when the clear to be winner is told to ease down and aim for third as fuel is low and he has to race at 1.5 seconds per sector slower. I cannot see this rule lasting long, 2014 season at the most




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