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  Reply # 316481 9-Apr-2010 11:50
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Kiwipixter:

Dude, a 5" screen device against your head is not a phone, its a mini microwave. Not to mention trying to fit the device in your pocket and not attracting unwanted attentions.

For note taking i find a qwerty keyboard, like my Bold, is very good if you don't like touchscreen.  Do you really need a large screen for taking notes? You might want to breakdown the things you do with the device and how often. For example, in frequent functions can be done on a secondary device, like a netbook, so you don't have to carry it on you all the time.

The HTC Windows Mobile series devices, HTC HD Touch etc..., will offer close to what you need, except for 5" inch screen.  btw, stylus and handwriting recognition are a thing of the past. Touch and muli-touch, and eventually gesture and voice based input, are all the rage now. 


Dont let the marketing hype hit you too hard.... Both stylus and handwriting recognition are big movers in certain circles, just not the uninformed consumer market. How does touch and multi touch negate the need for those? 

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  Reply # 316482 9-Apr-2010 11:53
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Regards the Desire and stylus - I should think that HTCs capacitive stylus (originally made for the HD2) would work. Maybe an app for handwriting recognition?

My current handset, the HD2 fulfills most of your requirements quite nicely if you purchase the stylus (again I would have to check about handwriting recognition, I know its been a requested feature at XDA, so the dev community there may have it sorted). It has a 4.3inch screen, but thanks to having virtually no area around the phone is just within the limits of tolerability for use as a phone (to illustrate, despite having a screen 0.8 inches larger on the diagonal than the iPhone the handset is 2mm thinner, and only 0.5cm larger around two edges if you line them up).

Even better than handwriting recognition would be to get a BT keyboard for note taking. I use my iGo Ultraslim Stowaway with mine. I think the iGo remains the best BT keyboard for cellphone use on the market, but I don't think its in production anymore, so not easy to get a hold of.




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  Reply # 316484 9-Apr-2010 11:59
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Edwood: OK, well I have one contender so far...

The HTC Advantage X7510 is a 5" screen, with Stylue, wifi, bluetooth, gps, etc etc...

It looks huge in some photos, but watch a video if you're interested.  The keboard snaps on top of the screen, and it's suddenly just a normalish sized PDA.  Sure it's big, but hardly bigger than my wallet.  IT looks like it will do the business.

However, it is 2 years old!  Surely there is something more recent that will do the business!?  Maybe not, and hey, I don't need to be hip and fly and up with the cool kids... I just want my requirements met.

The other issue is I can't buy one in NZ, so I'd have to find some dodgey ebay seller... which is always a risky business.

One other minor concern... I haven't seen any pics / vids of someone actually using the stylus to write notes.  'handwriting recognition' is in the specs, but I can't find any user confirmation or review on this.


So... is there anything else!?  Surely the 2 year old X7510 is not the only device out there?

C'mon HTC / Google!  Surely you can make me an android version of this puppy!



Check out the Imate JasJar, http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_jasjar-1262.php, the screen is only 3.8" but the res. is 640x480.  I have used this device, very crap, made by HTC in the early days. Looked very stupid having it against my ear.  Also it was to big and heavy to have it my pocket, the included cover can be attached to your belt but you'll look like a nerd.
So why do you need a 5" screen again, surely stylus and handwriting recognition for taking notes doesn't require 5" of screen space.

Your best bet is to stick with with Windows Mobile devices because its the only OS that still support stylus and handwriting recognition, as well as other other features like Exchange support etc...

The HTC Touch HD, http://www.htc.com/uk/product/touchhd/overview.html, closely meet your requirements except for 5" screen.  But a 5" screen requirement, you are moving into a computer type device, not a phone. So I suggest you look at two devices instead.

Good luck.

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  Reply # 316495 9-Apr-2010 12:24
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HTC transcriber works with the HD2, can be got over at XDA. So therefore the HD2 is quite well suited to your needs, better than the HD thats for sure!




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Reply # 316545 9-Apr-2010 14:33
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<sigh> Firefox just crashed and I just lost a reasonably well constrcuted post... booo!  Cry

Anywhoo...  Here is the condensed version:

HTC Touch HD2:
Great idea, but the stylus is useless for writing notes - it's made, really, for managing the UI.
The experience would be a lot like trying to make notes on a post-it note with a crayon.
I had a youtube that showed it, but I've lost it now :(.


I've basically worked out that I need to have a resistive screen.


More long-story-short stuff, I've basically come down to the HTC Touch HD.


All things considered, I think the HTC Touch HD is the right choice if I'm going to get something nowish.

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  Reply # 316604 9-Apr-2010 16:00
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Edwood:
Having owned several iPaq's and iMate's and tablets in the last 8 years - I do understand the cultural conditioning you are talking about. I was in the same boat as you.I just bought my perfect phone to replace my Nokia E90 - I am now looking to replace my ageing Toshiba tablet.

I think people like you and me should not subscribe to the convergence of device dream.

Get two devices - I would recommend 

- Nokia E72 
- HP Slate coming a in a few months - it supports both capacitative touch (like the iPad) plus stylus based writing and you can have Win 7 / and Office 2010 running on it - so you pretty much don't need anything else.





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  Reply # 316616 9-Apr-2010 16:19
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Man, I feel your pain,

However I am very suprised no one has mentioned the HTC Touch Pro 2 - it runs Windows Mobile (6.5 or custom ROMS if that interests your), have a great QWERTY keyboard, has a resistive screen and supports handwriting!  The screen is not massive, 3.6", but is over your requirement of 3.5"

Also, the seems (as I am searching in the same area) that Windows Mobile is the only mobile OS to have decent Office type apps, such as spreadsheet, word processor etc.  The screen is 800x480, nice nigh resolution.

Plus - the best thing is you can run Android or even Ubuntu!  There are videos on YouTube.

The other option is the Motorola Milestone (called the Droid overseas), it again has a slide out QWERTY keyboard, but has a capacitive screen, so no good for handwriting.  It runs the Android OS (ships with 2.0 but can be upgraded to 2.1 easily as there is custom interface like HTC/Sony/etc put on their devices).

The final device I would look at is the Nokia N900 - quite an amazing piece of technology, more of a PC with a phone added than the other way around.  Can be overclocked, had full root access to the Linux based system it runs, has full access to Google Docs and GMail throught the browser, QWERTY keyboard and resistive screen (not sure on handwriting apps though).

There is also a video on YouTube from jkkmobile where he compares the size of (I think) the Touch Pro 2, which is a decent sized phone, to a 5" tablet, and the tablet is MASSIVE!  Not really portable.

Hope this helps in your search.

The other option could be a UMPC, try http://www.umpcportal.com/ to see whats around; some have full QWERTY and touchscreens.

Cheers!

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  Reply # 316624 9-Apr-2010 16:52
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timbosan: 
Also, the seems (as I am searching in the same area) that Windows Mobile is the only mobile OS to have decent Office type apps, such as spreadsheet, word processor etc.  The screen is 800x480, nice nigh resolution.


You will be surprised how good the top end S60 devices are at handling Office 2007 / Office 2010 / Acrobat files. I had no problems opening a Word 97 document attached to an email, edit it and forward it - all using one hand while walking the dog.  [I have a Nokia E72]/
 




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  Reply # 316628 9-Apr-2010 17:15
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Actually the HTC stylus is not like the "crayon-point" type capacitive stylii, should be perfectly usable for writing...

S60 phones are fine for Office stuff too, although Nokia's ones are generally poorer smartphones than most of their competitors phones in the same space at the present time. The i8910 could be an option for the OP if you went the Symbian route.




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  Reply # 316648 9-Apr-2010 19:10
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Nokia N97 might do what you want. 3.5" screen with handwriting recognition, 3.5mm, bluetooth, wi-fi, hard keyboard, resistive touch, big internal memory, can do docs if you buy the app. I think it can do outlook sync...

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  Reply # 316652 9-Apr-2010 19:32
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Saw this on Trademe tonight! Never heard of it but looks kind of cool with 5" screen :D

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/PDAs-handhelds/Other-PDAs/auction-282847923.htm

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  Reply # 316657 9-Apr-2010 20:11
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timbosan:  I am very suprised no one has mentioned the HTC Touch Pro 2 - it runs Windows Mobile (6.5 or custom ROMS if that interests your), have a great QWERTY keyboard, has a resistive screen and supports handwriting!  The screen is not massive, 3.6", but is over your requirement of 3.5"

Cheers!


I am also suprised it has not been mentioned.  I have one on loan from work, and although I have no HTC stylus for it I have borrowed one from my sisters Nintendo DS that works fine on it.  It is great for handwriting notes (for what I have used it at least)  If you can get over the screen being 'only' 3.6" then it does seem to tick a lot of boxes.

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Reply # 316661 9-Apr-2010 20:24
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tchart: Saw this on Trademe tonight! Never heard of it but looks kind of cool with 5" screen :D

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/PDAs-handhelds/Other-PDAs/auction-282847923.htm


Low spec memory, 2G only, probably a Chinese knock off. I'd stay away from this.





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  Reply # 316714 10-Apr-2010 07:57
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freitasm:
Low spec memory, 2G only, probably a Chinese knock off. I'd stay away from this.



There was a time when HTC was viewed like that when everyone was on iPaq's and Palms: When a new entrant comes to market, they compete on features and price - how else can they get a point of differentiation?

If you look at this link here: Distributor in China, the device sure compress huge amount of features per unit dollar compared to mainstream devices. And they sell it for a NZ$374.33 wholesale - so even after paying for tax and shipping, you got a pretty impressive device (at least spec wise) for your $450.

But the most important thing for me about mobile device is not features / software - but the experience. Will this give the same user experience as some of the mainstream devices that cost three times as much (putting aside the hardware and software for a minute)?

[By the way this is spec'ed as 2.75G - not that I know the difference between 2.75G and 3G.]





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