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Krishant007

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#192017 24-Feb-2016 11:26
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Hi everyone

 

Not sure if this is the correct forum or not. I am looking for a decent solution for hosting a website + domain registration + emails for my fathers business (which he runs in Fiji actually). 

 

I was looking at FreeParking and am interested in one of their lower plans but just wondering if anyone else has any experience with some other decent hosts.

 

I will be designing the website (it is going to be pretty basic at this stage) and will probably use one of the templates they provide.

 

There is no such budget, but I dont want to go overboard with the first website.

 

Thanks

 

 


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At the risk of being spammy, can I say me?

 

It's just the usual cPanel hosting.

 

We do a lot of small business hosting, being a small business I know what it's like! 





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  #1498413 24-Feb-2016 12:09
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FreeParking or Internet By Design for the web hosting.

 

Office 365 for the email would almost always be my recommendation for small business email facilities (and Internet By Design could help you set this up).  https://products.office.com/en-nz/business/compare-office-365-for-business-plans 





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  #1498417 24-Feb-2016 12:12
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I'm interested in this thread as well, given I'm arranging exactly the same thing for my wife's new business.

 

On recommendations from a friend who's been through the same process, I'm looking at using:

 

* 1st Domains, for the domain registration and email#

 

* Squarespace or Strikingly for the website

 

Both these sites provide a wide range of templates for DIYers, but Strikingly is apparently easier to use. That said, it's generally limited to single-page sites [ways around this apparently], and the cheapest plan still retains the Strikingly name on the site (and address?), which isn't a professional look. That means the cheapest plan there I'd look at is $16 US; by comparison, I think the $8 US plan at Squarespace is adequate for a small business site, and there's a 10% off coupon so it's $7.20 a month. Squarespace also offer a "coverpage" option at $5 a month, which is similar to the one-page approach of Strikingly.

 

I too would be really interested in people's ideas on this.

 

Note: a recent thread discussed best options for domain registrars - http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=86&topicid=191931

 

 

 

# I'm still confused as to whether the domain registration fee provides for redirects for emails based on the domain name - I thought I read it includes up to 10 redirects  - or if I need to pay for the email service separately, ie also this https://1stdomains.nz/email/ - when all I want to do is have emails sent to particular addresses forwarded to another account (not to use it as an email service providing stuff like webmail). Is someone able to explain how this aspect works?




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  #1498431 24-Feb-2016 12:21
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Google Apps does great email, US$5/account/month. FastMail (Aussie business) is significantly cheaper, I use them and have for a few years with no issues. Faster support than Gmail, but a smaller business.

 

For websites SquareSpace is a good option, easy enough to use but a bit quirky - I got a friend's business onto them recently, and helped another business with their SS site. Wordpress is another great option, so many templates available, so many people use it there's heaps of documentation online.

 

Website hosting is pretty easy. Don't use HostGator, they've gone to the dogs (that's the polite version). I moved all my websites to AWS, but that requires a lot more knowledge.

 

I have a small side business that does website creation (Wordpress mostly, but some SquareSpace and others), website and email problem solving and enhancement, a bit of content work if I have to, and infrastructure for small businesses. I don't do arty farty stuff with websites, I'm an engineer not a web designer. I'm wanting to get into more AWS work, since I'm certified.


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  #1498532 24-Feb-2016 14:35
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Thanks for the info. 

 

 

 

@danielfaulknor, thanks for the offer. I will probably look you up and converse with what I am looking for.

 

@Dynamic - I considered using Office 365 for emails actually. But thought if the company where my website is hosted can handle everything, it might be easier in terms of maintenance & creating new accounts etc. Instead of paying per user for Office 365.

 

I am not looking at GoDaddy since I have heard negative things about the CEO & his ethics etc. Ideally looking for an all-in-one solution. But is there any reason that the domain registration should be with a different company then with your web host provider?


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  #1498535 24-Feb-2016 14:37
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Domain registration and web hosting can be completely independent. There's no advantage to having them together, other than having a single login.

 

Web hosts can do email, but they don't tend to be very good at it. Servers end up on spam lists and aren't removed, lack of attention to maintenance, your emails are less likely to be delivered to recipient inbox, etc. A dedicated email host does a better job usually. Either way set up SPK and DKIM.


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  #1498539 24-Feb-2016 14:40
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Many of the web host providers give you a free domain for a year, but these are typically .com addresses, for example; I don't think they (well, those based out of NZ) will provide you with an .nz domain - certainly seen no mention of it, and supported by such posts as https://answers.squarespace.com/questions/36913/logo-and-pricing-query.html

 

Personally, I can't see the big deal with using two companies for the different things...

 

 




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  #1498542 24-Feb-2016 14:46
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jonathan18:

 

Many of the web host providers give you a free domain for a year, but these are typically .com addresses, for example; I don't think they (well, those based out of NZ) will provide you with an .nz domain - certainly seen no mention of it, and supported by such posts as https://answers.squarespace.com/questions/36913/logo-and-pricing-query.html

 

Personally, I can't see the big deal with using two companies for the different things...

 

 

 

 

I am liking the looks of squarespace - but they 1 provide Google apps account free. I personally would lean towards Office 365 over Google apps. Any reason for Google apps > Office 365 Business Essentials plan?

 

In such a case, I would possibly look at getting Office 365 + register a domain on my own and just have web hosting with another company. 


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  #1498549 24-Feb-2016 14:53
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SS Google Apps only free for a year, and only on the business tier, i'd disregard that. It's advertising, not a feature.

 

Office 365 business essentials seems to give you Office online for $1 over what Google charges. Not sure if that's a full version of Office or some online version.

 

FastMail really is a good option, especially if you need less storage. 250MB (which is enough for me since I move mail to local storage eventually) is $10/year, $20/year gets you 1GB, $40/year for 15GB. For more storage Google/MS are better. Then add SquareSpace for web hosting, and whatever registrar you want.


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  #1498558 24-Feb-2016 15:00
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Depending on the type of website you are looking at designing, AWS hosting in S3 might be the way to go. You can also do your domain registration and, DNS there.
I have migrated a few brochure type websites there (i.e. static websites), and these now enjoy higher uptime, better security, DDoS protection, and massively reduced running costs.

 


Costs for hosting the website in the first year, including DNS, is $0 - yes free!
The following year - website hosting was 1c / month, and DNS 50c / month

 

I'm more than happy to get you started in AWS, if this sounds like the way you want to progress.

 

As for email - look at Gmail for business - just takes all of the effort out of managing email.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #1498563 24-Feb-2016 15:06
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spearsniper:

 

Depending on the type of website you are looking at designing, AWS hosting in S3 might be the way to go. You can also do your domain registration and, DNS there.
I have migrated a few brochure type websites there (i.e. static websites), and these now enjoy higher uptime, better security, DDoS protection, and massively reduced running costs.

 


Costs for hosting the website in the first year, including DNS, is $0 - yes free!
The following year - website hosting was 1c / month, and DNS 50c / month

 

I'm more than happy to get you started in AWS, if this sounds like the way you want to progress.

 

As for email - look at Gmail for business - just takes all of the effort out of managing email.

 

 

AWS free tier is awesome, but AWS is not that simple. S3 can host a static website only - just html, js, css etc, no server side PHP. Very few websites are static these days.

 

AWS free tier also includes EC2 servers, EBS disk, RDS database, load balancers, etc. I have six or eight websites running on one free tier ec2.micro, it very easily handles the load after appropriate caching is put into nginx.


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The two biggest things that haven't been discussed in depth is good reliability, and good support. So email a few of them to find out how quick they reply, and do some research into them. If they take longer than a day to reply, forget them. Also how long the business has been around for is a good guide as hosts come and go, get bought out etc. When bought out, they can go to the dogs. I have been with several  where this has happened. Also the lowest priced options are usually never the best. It is a business site, so be prepared to pay reasonable rates. For a website, avoid software as a service systems, as they will change their pricing, as many are running at a loss to aquire business. I am with an ecommerce provider who has raised some of their prices for some customers significantly. Very difficult and expensive to change after you have set it up. Use something like wordpress ,concrete5 drupal, silverstripe, joomla etc instead. You then own the website, you aren't just renting it.


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Yeah, I'm planning on going with Office 365 Personal for $10 a month, which provides the full and downloadable versions of the Office apps (which my wife needs), whereas the Business Essentials uses online versions of the apps BUT does come with an email service (50GB mailbox), which the Personal version doesn't.

 

My wife will use Outlook for accessing her email, but I'm still not clear (as per my first post) as to whether registering the domain will provide the ability to redirect emails to an Outlook email address, or whether I need to pay say 1st Domains that extra few dollars to have this feature. Or indeed if I elected for one of the Office 365 Business packages with email (Essentials or Premium) whether that would achieve the same means.

 

I'm kind of ignoring the sweeteners that the web hosting companies offer, as they are often time-limited and/or place other limitations on picking the best package for my wife - all up, picking each service that'll work still seems damn affordable:

 

Register domain: $24.73/year (1st Domains)

 

Email service: $24.15/year (1st Domains - if needed?)

 

Website hosting: $130/year (SquareSpace)

 

Email and other Office apps: $119/year (Office 365 Personal)

 

Totals under $300 (incl. GST) a year...


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  #1498601 24-Feb-2016 15:38
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jonathan18:

 

Yeah, I'm planning on going with Office 365 Personal for $10 a month, which provides the full and downloadable versions of the Office apps (which my wife needs), whereas the Business Essentials uses online versions of the apps BUT does come with an email service (50GB mailbox), which the Personal version doesn't.

 

My wife will use Outlook for accessing her email, but I'm still not clear (as per my first post) as to whether registering the domain will provide the ability to redirect emails to an Outlook email address, or whether I need to pay say 1st Domains that extra few dollars to have this feature. Or indeed if I elected for one of the Office 365 Business packages with email (Essentials or Premium) whether that would achieve the same means.

 

I'm kind of ignoring the sweeteners that the web hosting companies offer, as they are often time-limited and/or place other limitations on picking the best package for my wife - all up, picking each service that'll work still seems damn affordable:

 

Register domain: $24.73/year (1st Domains)

 

Email service: $24.15/year (1st Domains - if needed?)

 

Website hosting: $130/year (SquareSpace)

 

Email and other Office apps: $119/year (Office 365 Personal)

 

Totals under $300 (incl. GST) a year...

 

 

Any reason you wont buy a licence for Office and use the business essentials plan - so you get the email and you pay a one off fee for the licence.


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  #1498606 24-Feb-2016 15:48
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Krishant007:

 

Any reason you wont buy a licence for Office and use the business essentials plan - so you get the email and you pay a one off fee for the licence.

 

 

High upfront cost of purchasing Office outright - Office Home Office and Business 2016 is $425, which is nearly four years of Office 365 Home.

 

I also assumed that selecting the SAAS version of Office would ensure it was always up-to-date, whereas the one-off purchase would be for a particular version - eg If I purchased Office 2016, I'd need to re-buy the whole product when say Office 2018 was released (if I cared enough, that is!). Is this not correct?


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