Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.




656 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 226


Topic # 213928 19-Apr-2017 13:43
One person supports this post
Send private message

You may have seen several article about Microsoft's experimental undersea data centres.

Here's a recent summary of IEEE's "Dunking the Data Center"

http://www.leverege.com/blog/project-natick-underwater-data-centers



"To take advantage of freely available cool air, we’ve seen Google open a data center in Finland and Facebook open a data center in a Swedish city near the Arctic Circle. Now Microsoft wants to build one underwater to follow suit. Not only do they argue that this plan is feasible, they think it could also “reduce construction costs, make it easier to power these facilities with renewable energy, and even improve their performance,” according to Sean James, a Microsoft engineer.

Before validating James’s claims, putting a data center underwater comes with a myriad of challenges:

1. The container must stay dry.

2. Sea water should cool the servers efficiently.

3. Containers must be free from barnacles and other sea life that may inhibit the cooling process.

Why go through all this trouble to build something underwater, when you can build it in Finland or Sweden like the other tech giants? To this end, James postulates several advantages other than the cooling factor.

First of all, the Microsoft team argues that building underwater pods avoids the hassle that comes with constructing data centers on land. Today, companies must deal with building codes, taxes, electricity supply, and network connectivity in other countries before putting in the rack of servers.

On the other hand, the ocean provides a relatively uniform environment for these underwater pods. These pods can be made almost on demand (instead of planning it out and negotiating with governments and land owners long before) and deploy at any coastal site with little customization. Microsoft’s goal is to deploy these pods within 90 days from purchase.

Microsoft also points to the the remote locations of these data centers as a limitation in how fast these servers can respond to requests. They cite that almost half the world’s pouplation lives within 100 kms of the ocean, concluding that bringing these pods closer to where we live will add speed benefits.

Lastly, Microsoft mentions that many data centers use evaporation to cool the surrounding air, consuming more water. In Microsoft’s case, they’ll be using surrounding water to transfer the heat from the air out, so will not be “consuming” water in a non-renewable manner. Even at intermediate depths between 10–200m, the water remains between 14–18 °C, making it an ideal environment for cooling data centers."

View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
 1 | 2
5423 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1538

Trusted

  Reply # 1767328 19-Apr-2017 13:55
Send private message

A lot of variables involved here.
Id be interested on how they would get a physical connection to these devices? Maybe have them in a web sort of layout?

 

 

I suppose submerged deeply you are not affected by swell?

What happens if some Pirate drops his anchor and it takes one of these out?


Fully Operational
3343 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1088

Trusted
Vocus
Subscriber

  Reply # 1767340 19-Apr-2017 14:04
Send private message

Lastly, Microsoft mentions that many data centers use evaporation to cool the surrounding air, consuming more water.

 

which will then come back down as rain ... not a big issue IMO unless they are storing vast quantities of water and keeping it out of the cycle (as certain crops, etc do)


 
 
 
 


5423 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1538

Trusted

  Reply # 1767341 19-Apr-2017 14:05
One person supports this post
Send private message

ubergeeknz:

 

Lastly, Microsoft mentions that many data centers use evaporation to cool the surrounding air, consuming more water.

 

which will then come back down as rain ... not a big issue IMO unless they are storing vast quantities of water and keeping it out of the cycle (as certain crops, etc do)

 

 

 

 

If you release water vapor under water by the time it almost surfaces would it have cooled back into its watery state?


4353 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 812

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 1767344 19-Apr-2017 14:12
One person supports this post
Send private message

Cool! I need to know the price tag please. NZ probably is the best place to do this.

When the war broke out, I can still stream my movie collection from there. It has to be deep enough so thay the north korean sub will miss it.

I really hope they are looking into this.





237 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 72


  Reply # 1767383 19-Apr-2017 14:44
One person supports this post
Send private message

Another creative way of avoiding taxes


Mad Scientist
17727 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2172

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 1767388 19-Apr-2017 14:51
Send private message

Be good if one can store data in hydrogen molecules

5423 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1538

Trusted

  Reply # 1767414 19-Apr-2017 15:47
Send private message

nakedmolerat: Cool! I need to know the price tag please. NZ probably is the best place to do this.

When the war broke out, I can still stream my movie collection from there. It has to be deep enough so thay the north korean sub will miss it.

I really hope they are looking into this.

 

 

 

Lake Taupo! Goodluck kim jong un sung ill phil!


520 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 165


  Reply # 1767432 19-Apr-2017 16:30
Send private message

About time is all I can say.





Amanon

5423 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1538

Trusted

  Reply # 1767441 19-Apr-2017 16:34
Send private message

Dulouz:

 

About time is all I can say.

 

 

 

 

Im interested as to why you say its about time? 


520 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 165


  Reply # 1767443 19-Apr-2017 16:37
Send private message

TimA:

 

 

 

Im interested as to why you say its about time? 

 

 

I've just been really looking forward to this development.





Amanon

Amanzi
814 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 50

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1767446 19-Apr-2017 16:39
Send private message

I didn't read the article, but where does the power come from?


Amanzi
814 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 50

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1767448 19-Apr-2017 16:42
Send private message

amanzi:

 

I didn't read the article, but where does the power come from?

 

 

 

 

Found the answer to my own question... From here: http://natick.research.microsoft.com/

 

How will underwater datacenters be powered?

 

Project Natick’s Leona Philpot was powered by the land-based power grid during the 2015 deployment. It’s still early days yet, but we envision that future subsea datacenters will be powered by renewable marine energy sources such as offshore wind, wave, tide, or current.

5423 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1538

Trusted

  Reply # 1767455 19-Apr-2017 16:52
Send private message

amanzi:

 

amanzi:

 

I didn't read the article, but where does the power come from?

 

 

 

 

Found the answer to my own question... From here: http://natick.research.microsoft.com/

 

How will underwater datacenters be powered? Project Natick’s Leona Philpot was powered by the land-based power grid during the 2015 deployment. It’s still early days yet, but we envision that future subsea datacenters will be powered by renewable marine energy sources such as offshore wind, wave, tide, or current.

 

 

 

Thanks for the link!
Shot of the Natick Team. From left to right: Eric Peterson, Spencer Fowers, Norm Whitaker, Ben Cutler, Jeff Kramer

 

 

 

 

 

Looking at the above picture, I see radiators! Id hate to see what happens when they get clogged up with sealife and barnacles.

 

Power via Submarine cable? Must be fun working on power cables under water. What happens if one part of the grid gets damaged? 

 

In this case it seems your best friend (Water) is also your worst enemy. 


Baby Get Shaky!
1497 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 363

Subscriber

  Reply # 1767647 20-Apr-2017 00:01
Send private message

Feels like a publicity stunt to show the world that Microsoft is still innovative and hip like Google and Facebook. Didn't Google have a barge data centre or something a few years? That seemed to disappear into the ether pretty quickly once the PR had died down. Taking bets on the first company to announce a data centre in space (no DMCA up there....).


263 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 48


  Reply # 1767703 20-Apr-2017 09:02
Send private message

just buy up old oil rigs and pump the cold water from below





 1 | 2
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Less news in Facebook News Feed revamp
Posted 15-Jan-2018 13:15


Australian Government contract awarded to Datacom Connect
Posted 11-Jan-2018 08:37


Why New Zealand needs a chief technology officer
Posted 6-Jan-2018 13:59


Amazon release Silk Browser and Firefox for Fire TV
Posted 21-Dec-2017 13:42


New Chief Technology Officer role created
Posted 19-Dec-2017 22:18


All I want for Christmas is a new EV
Posted 19-Dec-2017 19:54


How clever is this: AI will create 2.3 million jobs by 2020
Posted 19-Dec-2017 19:52


NOW to deploy SD-WAN to regional councils
Posted 19-Dec-2017 19:46


Mobile market competition issues ComCom should watch
Posted 18-Dec-2017 10:52


New Zealand government to create digital advisory group
Posted 16-Dec-2017 08:47


Australia datum changes means whole country moving 1.8 metres north-east
Posted 16-Dec-2017 08:39


UAV Traffic Management Trial launching today in New Zealand
Posted 12-Dec-2017 16:06


UFB connections pass 460,000
Posted 11-Dec-2017 11:26


The Warehouse Group to adopt IBM Cloud to support digital transformation
Posted 11-Dec-2017 11:22


Dimension Data peeks into digital business 2018
Posted 11-Dec-2017 10:55



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.