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# 214946 4-Jun-2017 17:00
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I am interested in using some form of Cloud Backup to store my backups. I looked at Crash Plan but that seems to be a complete backup of data using their software.  Maybe I misunderstand CrashPlan but how does one recover a complete OS if you had to restore the entire computer, does one have to rebuild the OS first then reinstall CrashPlan and then download the rest of ones data from their cloud? I  prefer to backup completely my  computers using either AOMEI or VEEAM and then store that single encrypted file off site somewhere. Cost would be a factor as I haven't won the lottery. 

 

Anyone have thoughts on this?

 

 





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  # 1794680 4-Jun-2017 22:42
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CrashPlan (and most of other cloud backup) is data only. The OS needs to be reinstalled.

 

Problem with cloud backup is that you first need the OS up and running before you can install a client and restore data - that means a full system image is kind of redundant.

 

You can use something like Acronis does full image cloud backup but I'd think that a full system image would be rather large for a download when you can easily reinstall the OS, apps from installers (even stored in the cloud backup) and get the data back.

 

 





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  # 1794748 5-Jun-2017 07:37
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I have an OS SSD that I keep very small and light, it weighs in at 49GB with W10, Photoshop, development tools, all kinds of things. I keep an image of that every few months, because there's no data it doesn't really matter how often it's done.

 

I keep my data on different drives, but you can use partitions. They're backed to cloud and to disks at two offsite locations.

 

If you only have one disk then a drive image and incremental / differential updates could be viable. That's not how many cloud backup systems work though. M says Acronis does that, which is interesting, that's next on my "to review" list. You could also use Macrium Reflect, the free version now does incremental backups I think, but paid would be better for this I think. Then back up that file to any cloud provider you like.

 

There's a 3 2 1 rule of backups. At least 3 copies, on at least two media (ie not all on the same drive), at least one offsite location. I personally go a bit overboard and I think I have 7-5-4.


 
 
 
 




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  # 1794756 5-Jun-2017 08:49
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Thanks for the comments it's pretty much what I thought with Cloud Backup. I have no problems with my backups I just use Veeam or AOMEI both free and they can backup the whole C Partition and other partitions very quickly. I keep multiple copies of backups on different USB drives. Both the backup software items do a full bare metal restore on a DVD. With the bare metal and the image backup I have a complete restore system and I can get back up and running pretty quickly. However I have nightmares about someone breaking in and taking the computers and the backup disks hence the idea of storing the images in the cloud. I guess I could turn the bare metal boot disk into an iso and store that in cloud as well. 

 

My system backup (SSD) is around 25Gb and the 1TB hard drive image is around 32Gb, The backup software lets me mount the image and pull out whatever I want or you can restore the whole image. 

 

I wonder if I would be better off just going for paid version of my Google Drive I think 100Gb is around $30 per year. I am guessing that copy the backup images into my Google Drive Folder and just let it sync to the cloud. I suppose I should encrypt the backup as well?

 

Has anyone tried Google Drive for this sort of off site storage





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  # 1794760 5-Jun-2017 09:03
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I use Amazon S3 infrequent access class storage for my online backups. 25GB is US$0.32/month. If you can cope with a 2-4 hour restore time then AWS glacier drops that to US$0.10 per month, and can be accessed via the S3 interface. It would take more effort and thought than Google Drive, Dropbox, etc, but could end up cheaper. AWS Calculator.

 

I use CloudBerry backup. It has a free tier but that's reasonably restricted in terms of data volume it will do free. You could also use the CloudBerry S3 explorer to upload whatever you want to S3 and glacier.


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  # 1794797 5-Jun-2017 10:21
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Using Google Drive like this is not really Backup. First you double the use one you or local drive. Second if anything deletes the files or encrypts them (malware) this will be replicated to you Google Drive and likely encrypted the older versions or storage block (if that's what the backup program would use).




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  # 1794800 5-Jun-2017 10:26
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Incremental backups is one way around that problem.


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  # 1794804 5-Jun-2017 10:42
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Of course that is correct which is why I have multiple backups on stand alone disks. I am just trying to make sure I have an alternative off site backup in case of disaster. House could burn down etc. The problem you mention would apply to any continuous backup system that started with the backup on the computer. If you get hit by a encrypt
Virus it will eventually get to your cloud storage.




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  # 1794810 5-Jun-2017 11:02
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freitasm: But if they are on Google Drive they sell have to be on your laptop, which means the previous copies can be encrypted too.

 

I use Google drive, but it's not connected to my computer. I just drag and drop things to upload and download using the web interface.


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  # 1794842 5-Jun-2017 11:31
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ronw: Of course that is correct which is why I have multiple backups on stand alone disks. I am just trying to make sure I have an alternative off site backup in case of disaster. House could burn down etc. The problem you mention would apply to any continuous backup system that started with the backup on the computer. If you get hit by a encrypt
Virus it will eventually get to your cloud storage.

 

Pure cloud backup (such as Crashplan and others) don't use the same filesystem as your computer. They store the data on their own format bypassing your local storage. So if your data gets encrypted, yes all the latest versions would be uploaded but you can still rely on versioning so you know that files before a certain date/time are still safe.

 

Synchronising to cloud storage, even if you do a local backup application still has the problem that the backup files are themselves (and the previous versions) stored on your computer and if those files (including the storage for the previous versioning) is encrypted or removed then this is replicated to the cloud storage because that is a copy of your file system.

 

Different approaches, different outcomes.

 

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freitasm: But if they are on Google Drive they sell have to be on your laptop, which means the previous copies can be encrypted too.

 

I use Google drive, but it's not connected to my computer. I just drag and drop things to upload and download using the web interface.

 

 

In which case it would work but it's a manual process and not very efficient in terms of maintenance.

 

 





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  # 1794895 5-Jun-2017 12:45
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I don't bother with automated image backups. I just do it manually when I remember. If I have to reinstall the OS, so be it. There's nothing else important on that disk.

 

I have automated backup of data to the cloud, updating daily, using CloudBerry. Plus a near site and offsite copy of data. My pick of cloud backup places is BackBlaze, based the reviews I did last week, but I've use CrashPlan for years. I'll be getting rid of it and jus using CloudBerry uploading to S3 when I'm comfortable with that.

 

I had a quick look at Acronis. The consumer product is based around disk images. The business product seems too complicated for home use. They don't seem to have a middle ground power user edition.


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  # 1794929 5-Jun-2017 14:35
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timmmay:

 

I don't bother with automated image backups. I just do it manually when I remember. If I have to reinstall the OS, so be it. There's nothing else important on that disk.

 

 

That's what I do. I backup data. Everything else is an OS reinstall away.





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