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  # 839936 19-Jun-2013 22:40
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As Sommet Sports still appears to be in testing, there is little I can do regarding tuning advice.

If things go the way I understand them to be, Sommet Sports should appear on a stable channel but just be without EPG (as Prime was for quite a while)

We will endeavor to get at least standard EPG onto the TiVo service.

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  # 839940 19-Jun-2013 22:44
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Jaxson:
titch: very frustrating as I can watch sommet sports transmission test on 2x TV's with builtin Freeview, + 1 TV with a cheap decoder that cost$59.00. I live in Ashburton NZ


TIVO is not freeview.  There is no obligation for TIVO to do anything really as things change as they're not formally in NZ anymore.  We're just lucky some company is still providing some level of support to include this new channel and are still bothering to supply the EPG data etc.


I think there is a obligation, rather than luck, otherwise everyone will be returning their tivo to their retailer for a refund, which they wouldn't want. You make the CGA sound like it is difficult to get a retailer to honour, but it is not difficult at all if you get your facts right. I have never had a problem. I would expect a PVR to last at least 5 years, not too sure how long consumer says a PVR should last.
But a PVR without an EPG, would make it not fit for purpose, nor have the features that it was advertised with. It is just a pity that the EPG isn't OTA, like on other devices, then it wouldn't matter if the company disappeared. That is why I am wary of any hardware or software that you buy outright, that needs to regularly phone home in order for it to continue to function normally. I had this problem with a top brand scanner, where the company that made the scanners OCR software stopped trading, and the software ceased working, and  the retailer had to refund me, as the scanner was unusable for me.

 
 
 
 


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  # 840031 20-Jun-2013 08:46
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Thanx Dan..




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  # 845221 25-Jun-2013 19:57
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mattwnz:
Jaxson:
titch: very frustrating as I can watch sommet sports transmission test on 2x TV's with builtin Freeview, + 1 TV with a cheap decoder that cost$59.00. I live in Ashburton NZ


TIVO is not freeview.  There is no obligation for TIVO to do anything really as things change as they're not formally in NZ anymore.  We're just lucky some company is still providing some level of support to include this new channel and are still bothering to supply the EPG data etc.


I think there is a obligation, rather than luck, otherwise everyone will be returning their tivo to their retailer for a refund, which they wouldn't want. You make the CGA sound like it is difficult to get a retailer to honour, but it is not difficult at all if you get your facts right. I have never had a problem. I would expect a PVR to last at least 5 years, not too sure how long consumer says a PVR should last.
But a PVR without an EPG, would make it not fit for purpose, nor have the features that it was advertised with. It is just a pity that the EPG isn't OTA, like on other devices, then it wouldn't matter if the company disappeared. That is why I am wary of any hardware or software that you buy outright, that needs to regularly phone home in order for it to continue to function normally. I had this problem with a top brand scanner, where the company that made the scanners OCR software stopped trading, and the software ceased working, and  the retailer had to refund me, as the scanner was unusable for me.


There is an obligation for Telecom and TVNZ to continue to support TiVo and I imagine they will, particularly Telecom. This includes the units Telecom sold to the MMRs to flick (and took a $15m loss on sale in the process). Having said that there's no panic while Sommet are just testing. BTW Sommet appears on my TiVo in Auckland on 352.
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  # 845284 25-Jun-2013 21:27
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mattwnz:
Jaxson:
titch: very frustrating as I can watch sommet sports transmission test on 2x TV's with builtin Freeview, + 1 TV with a cheap decoder that cost$59.00. I live in Ashburton NZ


TIVO is not freeview.  There is no obligation for TIVO to do anything really as things change as they're not formally in NZ anymore.  We're just lucky some company is still providing some level of support to include this new channel and are still bothering to supply the EPG data etc.


I think there is a obligation, rather than luck, otherwise everyone will be returning their tivo to their retailer for a refund, which they wouldn't want. You make the CGA sound like it is difficult to get a retailer to honour, but it is not difficult at all if you get your facts right. I have never had a problem. I would expect a PVR to last at least 5 years, not too sure how long consumer says a PVR should last.
But a PVR without an EPG, would make it not fit for purpose, nor have the features that it was advertised with. It is just a pity that the EPG isn't OTA, like on other devices, then it wouldn't matter if the company disappeared. That is why I am wary of any hardware or software that you buy outright, that needs to regularly phone home in order for it to continue to function normally. I had this problem with a top brand scanner, where the company that made the scanners OCR software stopped trading, and the software ceased working, and  the retailer had to refund me, as the scanner was unusable for me.


Whilst I'm sure they will get it, it's hard to see how tivo has an obligation as a result of the cga to support sommet given sommet didn't even exist back when tivos were being sold.

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  # 845321 25-Jun-2013 22:13
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On both my TiVo devices I am receiving Sommet Sports on Channel 364 here in Auckland.

One TiVo is an original beta test device (160GB HDD - model TCD663160) running software version 11.3b5-01-2-663

The other is a post-launch device (320GB HDD - model TCD663320) running software version 11.3b5-01-2-663

It would be interesting to see if there is a variation in the software version for those not seeming to be able to receive Sommet...

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  # 845340 25-Jun-2013 22:50
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NonprayingMantis: 
Whilst I'm sure they will get it, it's hard to see how tivo has an obligation as a result of the cga to support sommet given sommet didn't even exist back when tivos were being sold.


I agree, they possibly only an obligation for the EPG of the channels that are advertised on the tivo box at the time of purchase. Prime and maori tv weren't on the EPG for a long time.
But it would be reasonable to expect the EPG of channels to be available, if it is available on other freeview type platforms, as channels get added and removed over time.

 
 
 
 


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  # 845503 26-Jun-2013 11:39
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Why can't Tivo operate as a non-approved Freeview box and also receive the FV EPG ?

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  # 845514 26-Jun-2013 11:52
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mattwnz:
NonprayingMantis: 
Whilst I'm sure they will get it, it's hard to see how tivo has an obligation as a result of the cga to support sommet given sommet didn't even exist back when tivos were being sold.


I agree, they possibly only an obligation for the EPG of the channels that are advertised on the tivo box at the time of purchase. Prime and maori tv weren't on the EPG for a long time.
But it would be reasonable to expect the EPG of channels to be available, if it is available on other freeview type platforms, as channels get added and removed over time.


For a whole bunch of reasons there is no way Tivo customers will be left in the lurch.

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  # 845707 26-Jun-2013 18:30
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johcar: On both my TiVo devices I am receiving Sommet Sports on Channel 364 here in Auckland.

One TiVo is an original beta test device (160GB HDD - model TCD663160) running software version 11.3b5-01-2-663

The other is a post-launch device (320GB HDD - model TCD663320) running software version 11.3b5-01-2-663

It would be interesting to see if there is a variation in the software version for those not seeming to be able to receive Sommet...


I just did a rescan here in PT Chev with mine on sw version 11.3b5-01-2-663  and see nothing on 364 or any other channel.  I get both feeds from Waitarua and Sky Tower.  Guess I’ll have to wait until the launch.  Rumor has it July 14th..




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  # 845754 26-Jun-2013 20:34
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try 365 or 356 I cant remember which. ( used to be 114 )
We have had it for a month or so.
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  # 854543 12-Jul-2013 19:21
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Dan,

With Sommet starting on July 18th or there abouts will we finally get this on TiVo..




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  # 858576 18-Jul-2013 12:35
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As of mid-day Sommet went live and unhidden - and it is on my Tivo after a channel scan. On Facebook Sommet said it would appear on Tivos "initially". Wonder what that means?

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  # 861777 18-Jul-2013 17:47
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foamfollower: As of mid-day Sommet went live and unhidden - and it is on my Tivo after a channel scan. On Facebook Sommet said it would appear on Tivos "initially". Wonder what that means?


Looked when I got home and it was on CH 14 . No rescan required.. No EPG though..




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  # 861801 18-Jul-2013 18:42
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Took a bit longer in JDA areas, but now visible on 14. No EPG.

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