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  # 1729348 3-Mar-2017 11:29
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mattwnz:

 

Jaxson: Mysky is probably the closest alternative.

 

 

 

And ironically that is what the Tivo was marketed against. It was like Mysky, without having to pay the subscription. Interesting to read old articles about the service, and when TVNZ and Spark were involved, it looked like they were looking at getting advertisers involved to service on ongoing costs associated with the EPG etc. That was obviously big mistake they made, seling a product that requires that ongoing service in order to work. Where as the overseas Tivo is a lot cheaper to buy, but you pay a monthly subscription plus you get other paid content.

 

 

 

 

That's what I find hard to figure out - what would be the cost of maintaining an EPG?  What would you have?  A server with a web service or similar that picked up something maintained in a DB?  In terms of funding it, ff there were originally ~20K tivo users, and now there is maybe < 10, say 5K, and they paid $5 per month, then you have $25K to support it. 

 

I'm assuming my assumptions are way off - must be.

 

 

 

 

EPG is maintained for free for XMLTV users (ie mythtv, tvHeadend and similar projects). It is simply maintained by a guy who extracts the data from the publicly available sources (ie mheg) and makes it available in XMLTV format for the world to use. No doubt s/he has some cost, but chooses not to recoup it.

 

If someone knows how EPG data from Tivo is structured, and how to hack Tivo to get the data elsewhere, the raw data is certainly available for free.


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  # 1729349 3-Mar-2017 11:31
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need2noy:

 

I have 4 tivos in various rooms in the house. I have tivo desktop so I can transfer recordings from the playlists from any tivos to other tivos in the house.  Would this function still be operational after 31 October as I only read that it will only be the EPG, seasonal pass, wish list and Genie features, there was no mention of Tivo Desktop feature.  I paid top dollar for three of my tivos back in 2009 as well as the software for the Tivo Desktop and I expect to get some kind of compensation for them as I was told at the time they would last for many many many years, and now 8 years later the plug is being pulled and we are being advised to dump our tivos and replace it with something else.  I think that is disgraceful and I am quite sure under the consumer guarantees act there would be some form of compensation for our loss.  If I had knew at the time these devices only had a lifespan of 8 years I would never had purchased them.  Also the free data that was given to Telecom/Spark customers was quite tiny because when they stopped that few years ago it made no difference to my data usage whatsoever.  I think the consumer is owed something, be it monetary compensation to put towards an alternative device comparable to tivo or they need to keep some feature going such as the EPG which won't render tivo as completely useles. NZ CGA law should cover us and protect us in situations like this.

 

 

 

 

8 years is going to be the kicker.  That's a long time in the consumer electronics game and I fully expect they've waited the 5 years or so now to cover themselves against exactly this form of customer comeback rights.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1729352 3-Mar-2017 11:37
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It sounds like from their email that they always had a set license period before they would stop working, so these things always had a use by date on them.

Many people who actually paid money for them and weren't given one though would have had them only for 3-4 years. Also some may not have been using them for that entire period. In Australia they are giving their customers 100 credit towards a new device as some form of compensation but they are leaving kiwis out in the cold.

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  # 1729355 3-Mar-2017 11:45
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Someone just build me low spec HTPC with an approx Tivo sized SSD running something half decent that will record terrestrial TV!

 

If all the freeview channels were available on-demand, we would be having a different conversation I think.  Is it just Prime that is the odd one out - i.e. not available on-demand?

 

Budget?


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  # 1729356 3-Mar-2017 11:48
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DMCM:

 

Someone just build me low spec HTPC with an approx Tivo sized SSD running something half decent that will record terrestrial TV!

 

If all the freeview channels were available on-demand, we would be having a different conversation I think.  Is it just Prime that is the odd one out - i.e. not available on-demand?

 

Budget?

 

 

 

 

Yeah, great question.  Is $500 a dream?


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  # 1729358 3-Mar-2017 11:53
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Maybe tivo in the US need to step in and provide a license to freeview to take it over and run the server. There sound like there are still a large number of users. It is going to damage the tivo brand and will cause problems of they every want to launch a new box on NZ in the future. Especially if the same thing could happen again. Tivo US potentially do have all the power to do something

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  # 1729361 3-Mar-2017 11:56
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mattwnz: In Australia they are giving their customers 100 credit towards a new device as some form of compensation but they are leaving kiwis out in the cold.

 

There is no shared ownership between Hybrid TV and Fetch that I can see, so the Fetch deal is likely (as far as my eyecrometer can see) just to be an offer by the Fetch company to elicit new subscribers who are losing their Tivos.  As there is almost no set top box competition in NZ, if Sky was approached they may have indicated no interest (especially with the potential Vodafone merger happening which would keep their Executive team busy enough).





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  # 1729362 3-Mar-2017 11:57
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DMCM:

nickrout:


DMCM:


Someone just build me low spec HTPC with an approx Tivo sized SSD running something half decent that will record terrestrial TV!


If all the freeview channels were available on-demand, we would be having a different conversation I think.  Is it just Prime that is the odd one out - i.e. not available on-demand?


Budget?



 


Yeah, great question.  Is $500 a dream?



With an ssd yes!

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  # 1729363 3-Mar-2017 11:57
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Maybe an ex lease pc and tv card?

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  # 1729367 3-Mar-2017 12:07
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mattwnz: In Australia they are giving their customers 100 credit towards a new device as some form of compensation but they are leaving kiwis out in the cold.


There is no shared ownership between Hybrid TV and Fetch that I can see, so the Fetch deal is likely (as far as my eyecrometer can see) just to be an offer by the Fetch company to elicit new subscribers who are losing their Tivos.  As there is almost no set top box competition in NZ, if Sky was approached they may have indicated no interest (especially with the potential Vodafone merger happening which would keep their Executive team busy enough).



Very likely although it could still be seen as a form of compensation as it is a deal they arranged. . But the fact is that they didn't find a nz provider do the same thing in nz. Also the fact that they actually linked to a Table showing the benefits of the Fetch box vs the Tivo box is probably a good indication that there isn't a good alternative in NZ that exceeds the TiVo's capabilities They were basically showing their Australian customers that the tivo technology was outdated compared to what the Fetch box does. But they couldn't really argue that case in NZ due to the limited options for an early to use DVR

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  # 1729379 3-Mar-2017 12:25
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DMCM:

 

nickrout:

 

DMCM:

 

Someone just build me low spec HTPC with an approx Tivo sized SSD running something half decent that will record terrestrial TV!

 

If all the freeview channels were available on-demand, we would be having a different conversation I think.  Is it just Prime that is the odd one out - i.e. not available on-demand?

 

Budget?

 

 

 

 

Yeah, great question.  Is $500 a dream?

 



TIVO cost $199 5 years ago.

But then TIVO didn't have an SSD either wink


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  # 1729382 3-Mar-2017 12:29
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Jaxson:

 

DMCM:

 

nickrout:

 

DMCM:

 

Someone just build me low spec HTPC with an approx Tivo sized SSD running something half decent that will record terrestrial TV!

 

If all the freeview channels were available on-demand, we would be having a different conversation I think.  Is it just Prime that is the odd one out - i.e. not available on-demand?

 

Budget?

 

 

 

 

Yeah, great question.  Is $500 a dream?

 



TIVO cost $199 5 years ago.

But then TIVO didn't have an SSD either wink

 

 

 

 

I know, that's what I paid for mine.  cry


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mattwnz: Maybe tivo in the US need to step in and provide a license to freeview to take it over and run the server. There sound like there are still a large number of users. It is going to damage the tivo brand and will cause problems of they every want to launch a new box on NZ in the future. Especially if the same thing could happen again. Tivo US potentially do have all the power to do something

 

 

 

Freeview won't want a bar of this.  Their take is buy one of our freeview approved units and you won't get hung out to dry in the future. 

 

The TIVO brand is already damaged in NZ, that happened the moment Telecom got involved and TIVO were stupid enough to pick them as their distribution partner.

 

There aren't any major TIVO equivalents in NZ, other than the MySky units, so if Sky were sensible they'd let users join up on a freeview only plan cheap/free for the first 6 months or something.

 

Are any of those other TIVO Casper type services still going?  - Lightbox / Quickflix / Igloo / etc 

 

Does any other consumer box exist that records freeview and offers any streaming options, and do you need those with freeview plus?  Primes the obvious exclusion, but it's SD on freeivew anyway, so looks like crap from the 80s


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  # 1729386 3-Mar-2017 12:45
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Pricing for the sky freeview only plan

 

 

 

 


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  # 1729390 3-Mar-2017 13:20
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Can someone explain to me what Freeview plus is? Sounds like a good replacement.

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