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  # 1730054 4-Mar-2017 19:25
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My Tivo has been 100% reliable


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  # 1730055 4-Mar-2017 19:26
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blakamin:

 

tdgeek:
SATTV:

 

If I recall the original shipment was 200,000 or 250,000 units.

 

 

 

I am sure there will still be around 100,000 in service today.

 

 

 

The best alternative I can see is the Fetch TV however the issue will be the licensing of the online content, Sky will fight tooth and nail to keep their monopoly on this content.

 

 

 

If sky was smart ( an oxymoron i know ) they would try and get Fetch TV here under its own banner.

 

 

 

John

 



What part of Freeview do sky have rights on?

 

 

 

Fetch TV isn't just a freeview box.. He's talking about the subscription channels that are available.

 

 

 

https://www.fetchtv.com.au/tv/guide

 

 

 

 

Understood, cheers.

 

This is a TIVO thread which means Freeview over TIVO. As TIVO is being canned, comments need to be Freeview PVR replacement related, i.e. how to watch FTA. Nt how to watch other solutions that are not NZ FTA 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1730056 4-Mar-2017 19:26
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dickytim: My Tivo has been 100% reliable

 

Never needed a restart? Maybe mine is picky. 


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  # 1730057 4-Mar-2017 19:30
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dickytim: My Tivo has been 100% reliable


Never needed a restart? Maybe mine is picky. 



No, i have only had mine a little over a year, but it was second hand. Only issue was pixelated picture however we have worked out our aerial is to blame as it moves in the wind and has the same issue at the same times on my htpc.

Not arguing some have issues, but to me it would seem to be a case by case rather than systematic issue.

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  # 1730071 4-Mar-2017 19:41
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Maxcat:

 

Yes it's a Freeview decoder.

 

 

 

 

How is the EPG guide compared with Tivo ?  Did you or do you still have a TIVO & a Freeview ? 

 

 

 

Freeview only has 8 days of EPG. but is it similar / as good a format as the TIVO version of the guide ?

 

 


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  # 1730074 4-Mar-2017 19:45
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dickytim:
tdgeek:

 

dickytim: My Tivo has been 100% reliable

 

 

 

Never needed a restart? Maybe mine is picky. 

 



No, i have only had mine a little over a year, but it was second hand. Only issue was pixelated picture however we have worked out our aerial is to blame as it moves in the wind and has the same issue at the same times on my htpc.

Not arguing some have issues, but to me it would seem to be a case by case rather than systematic issue.

 

Mine was first off the mark. I work for Spark. Rhyme not intended!! Aside from the seemingly dropped off Tivo Service, its been fine


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  # 1730079 4-Mar-2017 20:03
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The play tv 2hours ahead thing is because that's all Freeview broadcast on the terrestrial service. You have to buy their app to populate more of the guide with NZ data.
If playtv was a satellite tuner, you'd get the full 7 days ahead of data. Freeview never offered the full eit data on terrestrial, which put a stop to many potential alternatives. Play TVs epg looks really good, it's a shame nz customers have been shut out of using products such as this, and lumped with that clunky Freeview guide rubbish.

Tried the Freeview plus thing today. Funny as the quality (tvnz on demand at least) is better than the satellite Freeview offering.
A lot of content is available there, but not all and not Prime. The UI is not particularly user friendly, and the way it hovers over channels on a Samsung is cluttered and confusing. That said, once up and running it worked well.

I don't think I'll bother replacing the TiVo. If I could run a backend pc with a new tuner card for say $100 or less, and if I could book shows to record via an iPad webpage, and if I could point the likes of VLC player on the Xbox one to read directly from the storage location over the home network, then I might consider that. All has to be wife and kids friendly.

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  # 1730082 4-Mar-2017 20:07
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Jaxson: The play tv 2hours ahead thing is because that's all Freeview broadcast on the terrestrial service. You have to buy their app to populate more of the guide with NZ data.
If playtv was a satellite tuner, you'd get the full 7 days ahead of data. Freeview never offered the full eit data on terrestrial, which put a stop to many potential alternatives. Play TVs epg looks really good, it's a shame nz customers have been shut out of using products such as this, and lumped with that clunky Freeview guide rubbish.

Tried the Freeview plus thing today. Funny as the quality (tvnz on demand at least) is better than the satellite Freeview offering.
A lot of content is available there, but not all and not Prime. The UI is not particularly user friendly, and the way it hovers over channels on a Samsung is cluttered and confusing. That said, once up and running it worked well.

I don't think I'll bother replacing the TiVo. If I could run a backend pc with a new tuner card for say $100 or less, and if I could book shows to record via an iPad webpage, and if I could point the likes of VLC player on the Xbox one to read directly from the storage location over the home network, then I might consider that. All has to be wife and kids friendly.

 

Is Freeview Plus the same content as the TVNZ or 3NOW apps?

 

 


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  # 1730083 4-Mar-2017 20:09
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Jaxson:  

I don't think I'll bother replacing the TiVo. If I could run a backend pc with a new tuner card for say $100 or less, and if I could book shows to record via an iPad webpage, and if I could point the likes of VLC player on the Xbox one to read directly from the storage location over the home network, then I might consider that. All has to be wife and kids friendly.

 

I hear you, but is all that worth the effort,  from a Panny with a slow loading Guide, and no grid option? The content is key, the means to get there, if a bit annoying (you get used to it) is a much smaller point


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  # 1730086 4-Mar-2017 20:16
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^^^^ you may be right!

With SWMBO about to take an 8-12 month holiday for child rearing we are considering MySky now.

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  # 1730100 4-Mar-2017 20:48
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Jaxson: Most channels were touchy about releasing their guide data. I suspect TiVo did a lot of work to be able to legally reuse this data. Those agreements would cease after the service ends, so there would be much work to do this again formally.

Far more sensible to use the existing MHEG5 EPG scraping process and determine how to mold that data into something the 8 year old TIVOs would recognise, if a redirect was in place when it phoned home.

The Panasonic slow to load EPG is Freeview fault. They don't seem to cache the data, but load it fresh every time. It's a fixed package offering required as part of the Freeview approval. If Freeview had ever offered full EIT data, like they do on the satellite service, then we would hav options and access to far more sensible EPG formats and UI.

 

 

 

 The data is out there, the difficulty is getting the [closed system] tivo to get epg data from somewhere else.

 

 


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  # 1730103 4-Mar-2017 20:54
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sarahfoxnz:

 

Maxcat:

 

Yes it's a Freeview decoder.

 

 

 

 

How is the EPG guide compared with Tivo ?  Did you or do you still have a TIVO & a Freeview ? 

 

 

 

Freeview only has 8 days of EPG. but is it similar / as good a format as the TIVO version of the guide ?

 

 

 

Why does anyone need to know what is on more than 8 days in advance? But I suspect the TiVo data was from exactly the same source as what Freeview mheg dispays n terrestrial, and via EIT on satellite.

 

I doubt that tivo had some expensive salaried person changing the data. Hell the episode descriptions are the same everywhere. You'll see the same EPG data for The Walking Dead Series 6 Episode 1 in every English speaking country. No one sits around re-typing this stuff.


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nickrout:

 

Why does anyone need to know what is on more than 8 days in advance? But I suspect the TiVo data was from exactly the same source as what Freeview mheg dispays n terrestrial, and via EIT on satellite.

 

I doubt that tivo had some expensive salaried person changing the data. Hell the episode descriptions are the same everywhere. You'll see the same EPG data for The Walking Dead Series 6 Episode 1 in every English speaking country. No one sits around re-typing this stuff.

 

 

 

 

i meant the visual / usability of the information - how the programmes are displayed to us.  From the information i have gleamed so far, the way TIVO presented it was (or is) superior. But thats only from a few messages / posts - not many.

 

Do you think Freeviews presentation of the EPG (usability / looks etc) is as good as Tivo ?

 

 

 

As to the number of days - if Tivo & Freeview get the same EPG data - then Freeview only showing 8 days worth is a choice they are making - They can show more if they want to. 

 

i am glad  on 17th March AIR FORCE ONE will show on Duke.  If i had only 8 days of EPG, i'll not know that. (its the last movie i have on my list of movies)

 

thats one of my criteria in choosing a new unit - its not my ONLY criteria - but if i found something that had 14 days of EPG - it may sway me to buy it, instead of Freeview. (from my understanding of Freeview, it only has 8 days & thats it).

 

 

 

 EDIT: Some people do go away from home for a holiday - weeks holiday.  having 14 days of EPG, I can programme the unit (whatever it is) to record what i want & take out useless things that accidentally get planned to watch. 

 

i can safely go away & plan 2 weeks of shows. instead of coming home & scrambling to get to the Tivo (or whatever) & check whats being recorded that night.

 

 

 

Although the wishlist etc are good - its not 100% & does record the odd thing i dont watch. & also, if 3 movies are on at the same time, it may not know which movies i like & not record the movie i want to see.   Having 14 days is a lot better than 8 days.

 

 

 

EDIT 2:- Air force One may or may not be your favourite movie  - Its just the last one showing on the list at the current time. Its old, but i can think of more fave movies.


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  # 1730184 5-Mar-2017 00:20
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nickrout:

 

]Why does anyone need to know what is on more than 8 days in advance? But I suspect the TiVo data was from exactly the same source as what Freeview mheg dispays n terrestrial, and via EIT on satellite.

 

I doubt that tivo had some expensive salaried person changing the data. Hell the episode descriptions are the same everywhere. You'll see the same EPG data for The Walking Dead Series 6 Episode 1 in every English speaking country. No one sits around re-typing this stuff.

 

 

 

 

Because it is very handy when scheduling things such as movies to record. Otherwise you have to do it every week. I believe the tivo was originally advertised to have a 14 day guide,  but not all that long ago it got chopped down to a shorter period.

 

 

 

They would need a CEO, every NZ company these days seems to have one. But seriously there is a lot more to running it than just someone uploading an EPG, and I presume that part of it is relatively automated. Having a programmer to run it and troubleshoot problems isn't cheap either. You would probably be taking about up to half a million tivos connecting to the server, when taking Australia into account. However I suspect with the far better choice of boxes in Oz, that many people may have switched to something better. however in NZ we don't have the luxury of a choice of better alternative boxes. This is possibly why the move doesn't appear to have been all that negative in Oz, plus they did get a $100 voucher for a new box.


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blakamin:

 

tdgeek:
SATTV:

 

If I recall the original shipment was 200,000 or 250,000 units.

 

 

 

I am sure there will still be around 100,000 in service today.

 

 

 

The best alternative I can see is the Fetch TV however the issue will be the licensing of the online content, Sky will fight tooth and nail to keep their monopoly on this content.

 

 

 

If sky was smart ( an oxymoron i know ) they would try and get Fetch TV here under its own banner.

 

 

 

John

 



What part of Freeview do sky have rights on?

 

 

 

Fetch TV isn't just a freeview box.. He's talking about the subscription channels that are available.

 

 

 

https://www.fetchtv.com.au/tv/guide

 

 

 

 

I see, very nice. All the FTA, plus some very cost effective packages. 


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