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andrewNZ
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  #1734674 11-Mar-2017 10:01
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sarahfoxnz: Is there any TECHNICAL differences between USA & NZ TV ?  any reason why they cant just find a distributor here & sell their USA tivos here ? all that needs to change is the NZ tv people update their schedules to a USa website & the Tivo units collect the data/EPG from USA instead of Australia,


The NZ distributor only needs to sell the units. 


Or is that just too simple ?



USA uses ATSC and DVB-C broadcasts. AUS/NZ use DVB-T and DVB-S.

That means different tuners and drivers for a very small market.

sarahfoxnz
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  #1734675 11-Mar-2017 10:04
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DMCM:

 

So, at this point I feel we, the Tivo user community, have the following options available

 

 

 

1.  Persuade Tivo (Tivo.com or and Hybrid TV or whoever) to pass over their control to some other nominated party that can run their EPG service.  Personally I think this is highly unlikely as they would lose control of the Tivo NZ domain and effectively the Tivo brand.  Remember the U.S. Tivo brand is alive and well.

 

 

 

 

We do know that the NZ & Australia Tivos connect to an Australian server to get the EPG data (if not Australia, then some server somewhere).

 

TIVO USA can easily buy / purchase that server IP / domain name etc & either update the EPG themselves, or licensing it out again BUT KEEP OWNERSHIP.

 

Shouldnt be too hard

 

 


sarahfoxnz
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  #1734692 11-Mar-2017 10:12
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old3eyes: Interesting reading some of the posts on the Facebook page of TiVo US from some disgruntled Ozzys. No response there from TiVo US though.

 

 

 

Whats the TIVO US facebook url ? 




mattwnz
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  #1734778 11-Mar-2017 13:30
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sarahfoxnz:

DMCM:


So, at this point I feel we, the Tivo user community, have the following options available


 


1.  Persuade Tivo (Tivo.com or and Hybrid TV or whoever) to pass over their control to some other nominated party that can run their EPG service.  Personally I think this is highly unlikely as they would lose control of the Tivo NZ domain and effectively the Tivo brand.  Remember the U.S. Tivo brand is alive and well.



 


We do know that the NZ & Australia Tivos connect to an Australian server to get the EPG data (if not Australia, then some server somewhere).


TIVO USA can easily buy / purchase that server IP / domain name etc & either update the EPG themselves, or licensing it out again BUT KEEP OWNERSHIP.


Shouldnt be too hard


 



It really depends if they want to help nzers affected by this. Really they are the only ones that can do anything. This is one reason I dislike this type of arrangement, which seems to be similar to franchises. I think they should be banned, as they trade on a companies brand name and brand reputation, but in the end it is meaningless when something like this happens, and the consumer is disadvantaged badly.

sarahfoxnz
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  #1734875 11-Mar-2017 17:09
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mattwnz:

 

It really depends if they want to help nzers affected by this. Really they are the only ones that can do anything. This is one reason I dislike this type of arrangement, which seems to be similar to franchises. I think they should be banned, as they trade on a companies brand name and brand reputation, but in the end it is meaningless when something like this happens, and the consumer is disadvantaged badly.

 

 

 

Some franchises work well - others are a flop. 

 

 

 

If women can be pregnant & have a baby in 9 months,  im sure Tivo can do something in 6 months (or however long they have until its a done deal & nothing can be done).


mattwnz
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  #1734913 11-Mar-2017 17:39
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sarahfoxnz:

 

mattwnz:

 

It really depends if they want to help nzers affected by this. Really they are the only ones that can do anything. This is one reason I dislike this type of arrangement, which seems to be similar to franchises. I think they should be banned, as they trade on a companies brand name and brand reputation, but in the end it is meaningless when something like this happens, and the consumer is disadvantaged badly.

 

 

 

Some franchises work well - others are a flop. 

 

 

 

If women can be pregnant & have a baby in 9 months,  im sure Tivo can do something in 6 months (or however long they have until its a done deal & nothing can be done).

 

 

 

 

The are usually great for the franchise owners for sure, that is why seems to be one of the ultimate business models. Franchises though sometimes are great for consumers from my experience, and consumers can be left in the cold like this when a license may expire. 

 

 When there are problems with parts of the tivo service, such as the Genie being down, Hybrid have previously said that they needed to get help from Tivo US to fix it. So I would have though Tivo US should be more than capable of running it themselves. The question is do they want to help NZers?


Kookoo
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  #1735068 11-Mar-2017 22:40
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sarahfoxnz:

mattwnz:

 

It really depends if they want to help nzers affected by this. Really they are the only ones that can do anything. This is one reason I dislike this type of arrangement, which seems to be similar to franchises. I think they should be banned, as they trade on a companies brand name and brand reputation, but in the end it is meaningless when something like this happens, and the consumer is disadvantaged badly.

 

 

 

Some franchises work well - others are a flop. 

 

 

 

If women can be pregnant & have a baby in 9 months,  im sure Tivo can do something in 6 months (or however long they have until its a done deal & nothing can be done).

 

 

Yeah, I'm pretty sure HTS would've discussed this with Rovi. And I'm pretty sure Rovi have no interest in supporting a failing local franchisee - technologically, or otherwise. Under Rovi Tivo is focusing on the domestic US market - and are doing quite well there too.

 





Hello, Ground!



steve98
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  #1735072 11-Mar-2017 22:56
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Ha, just been reading through this thread. You TIVO owners come across as having been trapped in some kind of technology cave for the past eight years, now the cave has been opened and you're stumbling around, wondering where all the other TIVO-like devices are, apparently unaware that life has passed you by and the whole concept of recording things is just a thing of the past.



If you want to watch something that was on FTA TV, you'll find it on any of the respective OnDemand services, you don't need to record anything! Heck, you can even watch things you forgot to record!



TIVO and its entire ilk is the past. Even in the US it has been a long, long time since it was considered cutting edge or even relevant. An article published by The Verge three years ago described it as a "fossil of a Web 1.0 startup ambling along on diminishing shreds of patent revenue." Like the Nokia of the late 2000s it failed to see the writing on the wall.



Don't be like your Dad, clutching onto his VCR. Let it go.

mattwnz
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  #1735076 11-Mar-2017 23:18
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steve98: Ha, just been reading through this thread. You TIVO owners come across as having been trapped in some kind of technology cave for the past eight years, now the cave has been opened and you're stumbling around, wondering where all the other TIVO-like devices are, apparently unaware that life has passed you by and the whole concept of recording things is just a thing of the past.



If you want to watch something that was on FTA TV, you'll find it on any of the respective OnDemand services, you don't need to record anything! Heck, you can even watch things you forgot to record!



TIVO and its entire ilk is the past. Even in the US it has been a long, long time since it was considered cutting edge or even relevant. An article published by The Verge three years ago described it as a "fossil of a Web 1.0 startup ambling along on diminishing shreds of patent revenue." Like the Nokia of the late 2000s it failed to see the writing on the wall.



Don't be like your Dad, clutching onto his VCR. Let it go.


you obviously haven't read the thread in detail then. As people have previously discussed, OnDemand isn't available for all programs. Hardly any films for example are put on demand. Also the NZ networks don't allow chrome casting to your TVs. OnDemand programs can be restricted to just a few weeks before they are removed. Also you can't skip adverts. Etc. the list goes on the advantages of TiVos over NZ OnDemand options. If you have a TiVo, and there is a program you want to archive, you can copy it to you PC and keep it forever. This is impossible with OnDemand.

TiVo is still very popular in the US and they have just recently release new boxes. My sky is very similar to TiVo as well, so it is stilll a very relevant technology, and is in wide use, probably more popular than their on demand service.

Maxcat
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  #1735085 12-Mar-2017 07:52
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Guys is anyone heading to Melbourne in the next few weeks? I am keen to send one of my TIVO motherboards to the good Dr TIVO to have him do the soldering job of the EPROM and be prepared just in case they can crack it.

 

It'll essentially be a donated TIVO to the Oz experiment, but they are now effectively worthless, so I'm keen to step up and get one to him for our side of the experiment!

 

I just want to reduce handing issues and mail costs from here to Melbourne. Can anyone play courier for a TIVO board?


tussockcreek
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  #1735086 12-Mar-2017 08:37
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steve98: Ha, just been reading through this thread. You TIVO owners come across as having been trapped in some kind of technology cave for the past eight years, now the cave has been opened and you're stumbling around, wondering where all the other TIVO-like devices are, apparently unaware that life has passed you by and the whole concept of recording things is just a thing of the past.



If you want to watch something that was on FTA TV, you'll find it on any of the respective OnDemand services, you don't need to record anything! Heck, you can even watch things you forgot to record!



TIVO and its entire ilk is the past. Even in the US it has been a long, long time since it was considered cutting edge or even relevant. An article published by The Verge three years ago described it as a "fossil of a Web 1.0 startup ambling along on diminishing shreds of patent revenue." Like the Nokia of the late 2000s it failed to see the writing on the wall.



Don't be like your Dad, clutching onto his VCR. Let it go.

 

 

 

Here's someone who doesn't get it (Prob never had the advantage of having or using one). Completely missing the point.

 

I set up most of my family (non-technical people), parents, and some friends with TiVo's.

 

Some don't even know how to use the internet or do not have the latest TV's for on demand stuff.

 

They have NO free alternative this easy. Period!

 

Paying Sky is their next best... :-(

 

 


tussockcreek
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  #1735087 12-Mar-2017 08:39
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Maxcat:

 

Guys is anyone heading to Melbourne in the next few weeks? I am keen to send one of my TIVO motherboards to the good Dr TIVO to have him do the soldering job of the EPROM and be prepared just in case they can crack it.

 

It'll essentially be a donated TIVO to the Oz experiment, but they are now effectively worthless, so I'm keen to step up and get one to him for our side of the experiment!

 

I just want to reduce handing issues and mail costs from here to Melbourne. Can anyone play courier for a TIVO board?

 

 

 

 

I'm going Gold Coast on Thursday... would it work by posting from there or is that not much better than posting from here? Also do you have a person ready to deal with it?


Maxcat
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  #1735088 12-Mar-2017 08:41
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TIVO is not just a Freeview device.

 

It is a media hub.

 

I can move TV files between devices and play music stored on my PC and show pictures while recording Freeview programmes.

 

It is in this regard the first and only integrated free-to-air and streaming device available.

 

It is underselling it greatly to consider it a TV viewing and recording device alone.

 

 

 

 


Maxcat
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  #1735089 12-Mar-2017 08:42
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tussockcreek:

 

Maxcat:

 

Guys is anyone heading to Melbourne in the next few weeks? I am keen to send one of my TIVO motherboards to the good Dr TIVO to have him do the soldering job of the EPROM and be prepared just in case they can crack it.

 

It'll essentially be a donated TIVO to the Oz experiment, but they are now effectively worthless, so I'm keen to step up and get one to him for our side of the experiment!

 

I just want to reduce handing issues and mail costs from here to Melbourne. Can anyone play courier for a TIVO board?

 

 

 

 

I'm going Gold Coast on Thursday... would it work by posting from there or is that not much better than posting from here? Also do you have a person ready to deal with it?

 

 

 

 

Honestly I'm not sure. I've got in touch with Darren today to say a Kiwi TIVO might be coming, so I'll wait for today's reply and come back to you.

 

Grateful thanks for the offer of help!


old3eyes
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  #1735090 12-Mar-2017 08:43
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Kookoo:
sarahfoxnz:

 

mattwnz:

 

It really depends if they want to help nzers affected by this. Really they are the only ones that can do anything. This is one reason I dislike this type of arrangement, which seems to be similar to franchises. I think they should be banned, as they trade on a companies brand name and brand reputation, but in the end it is meaningless when something like this happens, and the consumer is disadvantaged badly.

 

 

 

Some franchises work well - others are a flop. 

 

 

 

If women can be pregnant & have a baby in 9 months,  im sure Tivo can do something in 6 months (or however long they have until its a done deal & nothing can be done).

 

Yeah, I'm pretty sure HTS would've discussed this with Rovi. And I'm pretty sure Rovi have no interest in supporting a failing local franchisee - technologically, or otherwise. Under Rovi Tivo is focusing on the domestic US market - and are doing quite well there too.

 

I would say you're correct as the TiVo company that licensed to Hybrib is not the same TiVo that exists today  even though they do license the tech to other DVR makers like Panasonic. Judging by the Ozzy posts on Facebook to TiVo the just reply with a copy paste  stock reply..





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