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  #1743610 18-Mar-2017 23:40
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If suddenly petrol ran out and was no longer available, would you take out a CGA claim against your car manufacturer? Nope.

 

 

 

This is no different AFAIK




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  #1743612 18-Mar-2017 23:51
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I'm not sure petrol is a good example. It won't suddenly run out. Well get loads of years warning and price will go up to match supply which at some point as a consumer i pull out of that technology and move into say, horseback

 
 
 
 


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  #1743614 18-Mar-2017 23:54
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minimoke: I'm not sure petrol is a good example. It won't suddenly run out. Well get loads of years warning and price will go up to match supply which at some point as a consumer i pull out of that technology and move into say, horseback

 

 

 

it's a hypothetical example.

 

 

 

but take any product that relies on a separate product to work and apply the same logic.




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  #1743615 18-Mar-2017 23:56
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The flip side of course is we would we tolerate a supplier who sells something with a built in obsolescence which is not told to the consumer. I think the cga helps protect consumers from such things.



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  #1743616 18-Mar-2017 23:57
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Npm - i understand the logic - just trying to think of a better example

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  #1743643 19-Mar-2017 00:37
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NonprayingMantis:

 

If suddenly petrol ran out and was no longer available, would you take out a CGA claim against your car manufacturer? Nope.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is no different AFAIK

 



It is very different because, the car manufacturer doesn't have a monopoly on selling petrol for that car. To be frank, if petrol ran out anyway there would be an alternative way to fuel it, even an LPG conversion . But with tivo, there are no options at all because the system is totally locked down by the manufacturer.

 

The problem is not the 'fuel' has dried up(eg the EPG). That does exist, the problem is getting that Fuel/EPG into the Tivo, as Tivo have essentially got the fuel flap locked, and won't give people the keys to open it.


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  #1743645 19-Mar-2017 01:02
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The TiVo hardware saying "Lifetime" in the software is because Hybrid TiVo was not a subscription like it is in the US. This is a US firmware issue and has been discussed and debunked on whirlpool. 

 

Hybrid were not able to get Tivo to change firmware words, and "lifetime" was the only way you get TiVo EPG without paying for a subscription.

 

 

 

Dan-Hybrid posted 2017-Mar-7, 4:12 pm AEST

 

Sorry to disrupt this 'gotcha' moment. But service level 5: Lifetime service is only a status message from the TiVo servers in the US. There are other service levels such as monthly subscription, pending authorization or canceled.

 

In this specific case it was TiVo USs way of setting the 'non monthly subscription' flag. We here have no control over that text as its a default in the larger TiVo ecosystem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2595317#r52999296

 

 

 

Since TiVo are  now owned by Rovi, and they have no interest  in anything but the IP, you're all going to be SOOL.

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #1743646 19-Mar-2017 01:09
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blakamin:

 

The TiVo hardware saying "Lifetime" in the software is because Hybrid TiVo was not a subscription like it is in the US. This is a US firmware issue and has been discussed and debunked on whirlpool. 

 

Hybrid were not able to get Tivo to change firmware words, and "lifetime" was the only way you get TiVo EPG without paying for a subscription.

 

Since TiVo are  now owned by Rovi, and they have no interest  in anything but the IP, you're all going to be SOOL.

 

 

 

 

In NZ they never specified how long the services would be provided with the Tivo, and the device does say Life license in it, so many would have took that at face value. So they really should have clarified that on the box when people purchased it if that wasn't the case. They would have know that 'lifetime license' was shown on the tivo when they started selling it, so they should have clarified that to everyone purchasing it. But that still doesn't explain Hybrids advertising vid for the OZ/NZ series 3 tivo, saying the EPG lasts for the 'life of the box'.  How long did Hybrid have the Tivo license for, because isn't the period it should have stated on the box that the EPG would last for? 


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  #1743647 19-Mar-2017 01:12
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Read the edit...

 

 

 

I  could post you the terms and conditions again, but hey, you've ignored them 10 times now, why bother.




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  #1743652 19-Mar-2017 06:56
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I will come to the terms and condiyions later. But the point i made earlier is they cant be introduced after the contract was made.

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  #1743653 19-Mar-2017 07:06
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minimoke: I'm not sure petrol is a good example. It won't suddenly run out. Well get loads of years warning and price will go up to match supply which at some point as a consumer i pull out of that technology and move into say, horseback

 

Petrol is a great example.

 

"It won't suddenly run out" - and Tivo giving many months notice says it will run out over time, as will petrol - I haven't seen any dinosaurs lately.

 

"We'll get loads of years of warning..." this is relative as only a very small percentage of people use Tivo so therefore, months could be considered enough warning.

 

"I pull out of that technology and move into say, horseback" You have several months to pull out of this technology, most likely a user pays. A horse costs money to maintain

 

 

 

 


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  #1743654 19-Mar-2017 07:08
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What is the definition of "lifetime" - in this case Tivo service is dying, end of life. OR were you expecting the service to last YOUR lifetime.




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  #1743655 19-Mar-2017 07:11
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Hmm - ok. I guess the tivo licence hasnt run out. Its still there - it is just the supplier is failing to ensure it is available.

I dont think the cga is reliant on the number of consumers.

Notice is surely an alteration to the original sale/purchase agreement. And cant be applied withour agreement.



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  #1743656 19-Mar-2017 07:14
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Riahon. When i purchased the tivo i dont recall it was reliant on a life time licence. If it was then i consider that to be the lifetime of the box. My lifetime isnt reasonable - though perhaps in the absence of a definition of "lifetime " it could be.

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  #1743665 19-Mar-2017 08:03
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minimoke: Notice is surely an alteration to the original sale/purchase agreement. And cant be applied withour agreement.

 

No, but they can certainly be updated.


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