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  # 256637 17-Sep-2009 20:08
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If people are interested they can sign the petition against TiVo Forcing customers to move to Telecom Broadband to use their Hardware. http://www.petitiononline.com/TIVO/

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  # 256699 17-Sep-2009 23:27
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No force. You can use their hardware with any broadband connection, you just won't get all of the features.




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  # 256706 18-Sep-2009 00:07
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cokemaster:
Dratsab: Many people are not Telecom customers for many reasons.

Many more are Telecom customers though

When comparing Xtra to any other single ISP you'd be absolutely correct.  I'd have my doubts when comparing Xtra to the totality of all other ISP's though - Statistics Department figures from August last year (latest I could find) indicate there were around 60 ISPs in NZ at that time.

Unfortunately these ISPs were not named and I couldn't find any figures on user bases.  I'm guessing "commercial sensitvity" might prevent release/publication of such figures, especially breaking them down into commercial and domestic usage.  It would be interesting to see how the pie's sliced up though.

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  # 256707 18-Sep-2009 00:40
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wiredr: a recent sky survey concluded that of a 300 odd  person sample over 3/4 of the programmes watched on sky were freeview and of that sample 76% aprox  watched live programming.
so it just shows that it is not the technology  that sells the product but the content itself. 


To me this just says that 75% of sky customers wouldn't know a cost benefit analysis if it fell on their heads from a great height.




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  # 256721 18-Sep-2009 07:16
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LennonNZ: If people are interested they can sign the petition against TiVo Forcing customers to move to Telecom Broadband to use their Hardware. http://www.petitiononline.com/TIVO/

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A petition? Force? That cracks me up. This is a commercial service with a tie in to software, hardware, internet provider. And in this day and age - you get to CHOOSE.



Buy the offering, or don't buy the offering. Maybe you could start a Facebook group?

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  # 256732 18-Sep-2009 08:27
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TiVo. By going with Telecom exclusively you just made my mind up. I'll get a mySky. I want holding off waiting to see what TiVo would do and now we know..




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  # 256741 18-Sep-2009 09:07
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Tivo made a choice and it now looks like I have made mine.

The EPG and its functionality is a deal breaker. I have a freeview hd box now (with only now/next grr) and believe me its the epg that is the big deal here. It was the EPG and season pass that made Tivo's name.

Unless they guarantee the epg for non telecom IS THE SAME (and it is not looking like that can be the case and that the epg is affected) this was a very stupid marketing decision and my $1000 plus (I was after the box, network kit and extra pc keys) will not be going on Tivo.


 
 
 
 


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  # 256749 18-Sep-2009 09:34
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The EPG is going to be the same, isn't it? Where did you read that it wasn't going to be?  I thought it was only the DLC that's not available.

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  # 256757 18-Sep-2009 10:01
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Ooops.. Since mentioning Tivo on my twitter.. Telecom NZ is now following me.. be afraid, be very afraid.. LOL

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  # 256760 18-Sep-2009 10:12
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cafeg: Yes, I totally agree with you there about MySky.
Programing is rubbish lately and playing a movie on sky movies 1 then restarting it again on sky movies 2 straight after doesn't give more variety.
We were just talking about it here last night and yes - we watch more free to air TV on sky than sky content.
But MySky hdi is crystal clear which is a point in its favour.
Cost is a bad point right now. We are paying $94.00 a month right now for basic, sky movies and sky sport.

I am thinking on getting a freeview PVR such as the latest homecast one which will let us do all the things MySky does now.

Telecoms cost is something that is also turning me away from them, The top plan @ $79.95 a month for 40 gig with 2cents a meg or $20.40 a gig for overages doesn't suit us at all. We use around 50 to 60 gig a month here and xnet is only $1 a gig or $60 for that, It would be $487.95 a month for the same amount at telecom.

So sorry unless telecom bring in a cheaper plan or Tivo sides with another provider as well I'm still out and its not being narrow minded - I just can't afford $487.95 a month for broadband !!




As mentioned, you could try big time plan which is traffic shaped for P2P, but unlimited usage for $60.

 

OTOH, if you consistantly use around 60GB/month and don’t want traffic shaping, then you could also try the business plans.  They are avaialable to consumers too and a 60GB plan costs (IIRC) around $80 or $90  and overage is waay cheaper at around $3/GB

 

Also note that TiVo content is going to be unmetered regardless of your plan, so if you downoad a lot of movies through their portal then it won’t eat into your data cap

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  # 256764 18-Sep-2009 10:14
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Dratsab:
cokemaster:
Dratsab: Many people are not Telecom customers for many reasons.

Many more are Telecom customers though

When comparing Xtra to any other single ISP you'd be absolutely correct.  I'd have my doubts when comparing Xtra to the totality of all other ISP's though - Statistics Department figures from August last year (latest I could find) indicate there were around 60 ISPs in NZ at that time.

Unfortunately these ISPs were not named and I couldn't find any figures on user bases.  I'm guessing "commercial sensitvity" might prevent release/publication of such figures, especially breaking them down into commercial and domestic usage.  It would be interesting to see how the pie's sliced up though.


last report I saw showed Telecom had around 60% market share of broadband connections.

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  # 256820 18-Sep-2009 12:25
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LennonNZ: If people are interested they can sign the petition against TiVo Forcing customers to move to Telecom Broadband to use their Hardware. http://www.petitiononline.com/TIVO/


I really fail to see the benefit of organising a petition just because two companies have made a commercial decision/agreement, in particular when it is a very sound commercial decision at that.

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  # 256825 18-Sep-2009 12:35
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DaveB:
LennonNZ: If people are interested they can sign the petition against TiVo Forcing customers to move to Telecom Broadband to use their Hardware. http://www.petitiononline.com/TIVO/


I really fail to see the benefit of organising a petition just because two companies have made a commercial decision/agreement, in particular when it is a very sound commercial decision at that.



Early days I know, but so far a massive 4 (yes four) signatures.   I’m sure Hybrid is quaking in their boots to see the power of consumers in action.

 

Also, online petitions aren’t even worth the paper they aren’t printed on.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp

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  # 256836 18-Sep-2009 13:22
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NonprayingMantis: last report I saw showed Telecom had around 60% market share of broadband connections.

A significant proportion of which will be commercial connections, leading to the conclusion it's a bad marketing ploy, especially when other countries aren't locked in to one broadband vendor to receive the full benefit.

However, like Tony says buy it or don't.

There'd be no value in it for me (quite the opposite in fact) so I won't be buying it.  Simple.

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  # 256864 18-Sep-2009 14:40
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Dratsab:
NonprayingMantis: last report I saw showed Telecom had around 60% market share of broadband connections.

A significant proportion of which will be commercial connections, leading to the conclusion it's a bad marketing ploy, especially when other countries aren't locked in to one broadband vendor to receive the full benefit.

However, like Tony says buy it or don't.

There'd be no value in it for me (quite the opposite in fact) so I won't be buying it.  Simple.


I'll see if I can find it,  but I'm pretty sure that 60% was for consumers only i.e. business connections not counted.

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