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  # 646977 27-Jun-2012 13:14
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macuser: LED doesn't actually provide anything positive to LCD accuracy, at least not several years ago anyway. ?CCFL backlights are usually more able to deliver more?accurate?colour, due to them being a more mature form of backlight and I guess more adaptive? ?Only problem is that they 'drift' over time, for example slowly colour shift and get dimmer, and they are also less bright than most LED displays.

Dell is the best in my opinion before you go to a super high end display, but only the high end Dells. ?U2410 for example. ?Also if your Spyder provides an option to sample ambient light, In my experience it just messes everything up.

6bit v 8bit is important, but not as important as a calibrated display - unless you are working with very large commercial clients, it's unlikely that they will have the technology to see the difference. ?Remember that if you are using a laptop, Display port offers higher quality image via large bit depth, then DVI/HDMI, then VGA. ?

Also remember that if you are going to be using a laptop with Nvidia Optimus, it constantly will mess with your calibration, but there is a work around which you can find on google.

You can also can make things better for yourself if you always edit in 16Bit, which is higher than most cameras, but it allows you to have more flexibility in photoshop with intensive edits - If you are doing consumer work though - Probably not a big deal. ?Edit in Adobe RGB 1998, BUT remember that Adobe RGB has a larger amount of gamut, or colours than a regular consumer monitor so the image will look crap for most people and the web if you don't convert to sRGB first before delivery to client. ?If you are dealing with a commercial client then deliver in whatever format they ask for, and if they don't ask for a format, sRGB.

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Yes you are right, and I think that is the reason why the dell 2410 is still available, as it is CCFL, and is used by pro photographers.

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  # 649899 3-Jul-2012 09:57
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sRGB is arguably the best choice of gamut to select on your monitor/system for photographic work.

Using alternative gamuts is fine, until you take that image to another display or system where the different setup and capability will throw all your carefully adjusted balances out the window.

Actually gamut size is less important than correct gamut luminance balance, unfortunately dispite monitors and graphics cards and software having "preset" modes they have a tendancy to be wayward in tracking and luminance. Therefore if you are serious about photography you should always have a calibration device or have your monitor/PC calibrated. However there is limits to consumer grade monitors and consumer grade calibration devices so always keep this in the back of your mind when something doesn't look right.






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  # 650159 3-Jul-2012 17:38
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Thought I would update on the screen i posted

My flatmates screen has arrived, he did some more research while he was waiting, apparently the panel itself was supposed to be the new 'retina display' for apple......And they have a 10% failure rate...so apple said hell no.

They have been put into other budget casing, stands etc.

The stand isnt straight, issues with power supplies, etc etc.


This is what my flatmate has told me, so dont think this would be an option any more.
His doesnt sit straight on the stand, but no dead pixels and it worked when it turned up, so hes doing better then some others!

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  # 650342 3-Jul-2012 23:42
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I got a Dell U3011 30" Ultrasharp delivered yesterday as it was on sale 30% off. The colour in Adobe RGB mode was amazing compared alongside my iMac 27". So much more colour was quite impressive. Even sRGB looked better on the Dell. Also the Mac LED white looked quite green in comparison.

Does HDMI x2, though you need to run in on Dual-link DVI or Display port to get the 2560x1600 resolution.

Unfortunately I found a dark bluish blotchy spot in the screen. Rang up for a replacement. It arrived today (really is next business day replacement!) but it was a refurbished monitor. The backlight was notably dimmer and the whites were getting reddish. Also the panel was quite floppy on its stand compared the the new one I was returning.

They are going to deliver another "new" replacement, said that they had specified a "new" replacement but said that the local logistics had stuffed up. I wouldn't be surprised if they try it on and hope you won't notice. Must cost them a fortune in freight!

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  # 650343 3-Jul-2012 23:45
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amigo: I got a Dell U3011 30" Ultrasharp delivered yesterday as it was on sale 30% off. The colour in Adobe RGB mode was amazing compared alongside my iMac 27". So much more colour was quite impressive. Even sRGB looked better on the Dell. Also the Mac LED white looked quite green in comparison.

Does HDMI x2, though you need to run in on Dual-link DVI or Display port to get the 2560x1600 resolution.

Unfortunately I found a dark bluish blotchy spot in the screen. Rang up for a replacement. It arrived today (really is next business day replacement!) but it was a refurbished monitor. The backlight was notably dimmer and the whites were getting reddish. Also the panel was quite floppy on its stand compared the the new one I was returning.

They are going to deliver another "new" replacement, said that they had specified a "new" replacement but said that the local logistics had stuffed up. I wouldn't be surprised if they try it on and hope you won't notice. Must cost them a fortune in freight!


I had that same problem where they delivered a refurbished one instead of a new one, when my new one arrived with defects. Obviously they needed to replace it with a new one, but I am sure many people wouldn't notice the difference.

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  # 654071 11-Jul-2012 16:41
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timmmay: Accurate color and bright, vivid color are quite different. If you edit on a TV things can look way out of whack on monitors, especially calibrated ones. Editing on a calibrated monitor means you have some confidence that the majority of people will see the photo more or less how you want it to be.

Plus TVs are pretty poor resolution.


Agreed.

I wouldn't use any Bravia if you want accurate colour.

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  # 670039 9-Aug-2012 12:59
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ilovemusic:
timmmay: Accurate color and bright, vivid color are quite different. If you edit on a TV things can look way out of whack on monitors, especially calibrated ones. Editing on a calibrated monitor means you have some confidence that the majority of people will see the photo more or less how you want it to be.

Plus TVs are pretty poor resolution.


Agreed.

I wouldn't use any Bravia if you want accurate colour.


I would.  I've got an old 40" Bravia full HD LCD (CCFL backlight), and when connected to a PC via HDMI, and all "enhancements" turned off (auto backlight, "dynamic" contrast), backlight adjusted to a comfortable 120cd/m2, gamma set "by eye" using the OSD/menu, then measured (Spyder, Colorimetre HCFR) colour accuracy was average Delta E (across 10-90% luminance) of about 3.0.
Actually (and to my surprise) a much better result than any inexpensive (<$1k) monitor I've ever tested. I don't use it for photography, and never bothered to calibrate it fully, but for photo viewing it was very good indeed.
Much better than my new LED backlit LCD.

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