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  # 1029216 22-Apr-2014 16:48
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I thought they were clustered around the centre point? Ie no peripheral ones? Correct me if I'm wrong thanks.




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  # 1029217 22-Apr-2014 16:48
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I thought they were clustered around the centre point? Ie no peripheral ones? Correct me if I'm wrong thanks.




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  # 1029224 22-Apr-2014 17:03
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The arrangement on the D7100 isn't ideal - have a look here. Canon may have an advantage there, if that feature is important to someone.

I think we've gone well beyond the scope of what the OP needs. Cross type focus points are nice, but my 7D had the best specs available at the time and still sucked. The D700 is awesome. Like I said any entry level camera is fine for most people.

I really do think the micro 4/3 system is worth looking at. Cheaper, more compact, and they make great images.

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  # 1029227 22-Apr-2014 17:07
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Actually yes.

A lot of beginner dslr users suffer from why are my pictures so blur syndrome.

If you Google why is micro 4 3rds so much sharper than slr.

Have op considered mirrorless aps,-c?

In my opinion they are going to make apsc slr obsolete.




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  # 1029231 22-Apr-2014 17:17
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Could be motion blur, camera shake, doubt a cross type focus point would make much difference for a beginner.

Micro 4/3 aka mirrorless is what I suggested a page or two back. If I was buying now, for a hobbyist camera, that'd probably be it. Not quite there for all professional work, and maybe too big for some holidays for me, but good enough for most things, most of the time.

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  # 1029237 22-Apr-2014 17:20
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That's right. But if most slr noobs ask that on the cyber world it must be true of the nature of the leaving curve




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  # 1029238 22-Apr-2014 17:22
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Crosstype is not a must for a beginner but if it's the same price point I would greatly recommend it over one without. All things being equal. Don't you reckon?




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  # 1029249 22-Apr-2014 17:50
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I think it's well down the list of things to be concerned about, personally, especially given my experience.

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  # 1029272 22-Apr-2014 18:19
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so for the same price, same specs, same everything, one has 9 crosstype AF sensor, one has only one, you'd go for the one with one cross type AF sensor?




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I'm not a serious photographer by any means - but I have had a (now somewhat elderly) Canon 450D for a few years - and I love it to bits.

I won't add to the discussion of camera and lens options that has been pretty well canvassed already. But I will add one bit of advice that hasn't really been canvassed - get a flash. A good external flash, with plenty of power and a tilt/swivel head, will make a huge difference to many photos. Particularly the types you indicate you are interested in.

It really makes a difference compared to the crummy on board flashes that cameras have,.

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  # 1029337 22-Apr-2014 19:34
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joker97: so for the same price, same specs, same everything, one has 9 crosstype AF sensor, one has only one, you'd go for the one with one cross type AF sensor?


You're playing dumb now, asking rhetorical questions that will never happen in the real world. That's a photo nerds game.

If you're comparing a Nikon with most of the cross focus points in the centre and a Canon with them spread better around the frame then there are far more important things to consider than focus points. How the camera feels in your hands, the availability of lenses you want, any existing equipment you own that's compatible with either, price, and general performance in reviews. The exact nature of the focus points is almost irrelevant for most people.

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did someone say photo nerd? where?  :p

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  # 1029366 22-Apr-2014 19:54
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timmmay:
joker97: so for the same price, same specs, same everything, one has 9 crosstype AF sensor, one has only one, you'd go for the one with one cross type AF sensor?


You're playing dumb now, asking rhetorical questions that will never happen in the real world. That's a photo nerds game.

If you're comparing a Nikon with most of the cross focus points in the centre and a Canon with them spread better around the frame then there are far more important things to consider than focus points. How the camera feels in your hands, the availability of lenses you want, any existing equipment you own that's compatible with either, price, and general performance in reviews. The exact nature of the focus points is almost irrelevant for most people.


fair enough, I guess it's what your needs isn't it.

my needs: my 3 under 7 year olds zooming around INDOORS. 5DMkIII - perfect 9/10 (crosstypes) when they zoom around. canon 6D - (one centre crosstype) 99% unusable if not using the centre point (non crosstype). centre point (crosstype) perfect 9/10

if your things don't move around, or you only shoot moving things with the centrepoint(s) crosstype that's fine. I have a 600D (one crosstype, centre point) for telephoto use for moving things like bees and birds - i only get usable pictures with the centre point.




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  # 1029368 22-Apr-2014 19:55
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as i said earlier, it is possible that nikon can nail focus with non crosstype sensors in poor light, but we don't know, as you said you seldom use the non crosstype points unless you get suitable conditions




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  # 1029369 22-Apr-2014 20:00
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joker97: fair enough, I guess it's what your needs isn't it.

my needs: my 3 under 7 year olds zooming around INDOORS. 5DMkIII - perfect 9/10 (crosstypes) when they zoom around. canon 6D - (one centre crosstype) 99% unusable if not using the centre point (non crosstype). centre point (crosstype) perfect 9/10

if your things don't move around, or you only shoot moving things with the centrepoint(s) crosstype that's fine. I have a 600D (one crosstype, centre point) for telephoto use for moving things like bees and birds - i only get usable pictures with the centre point.


I forgot people let the camera do all that for them. I use a single focus point and tell the camera what to do, not let it decide for itself. I don't MF but I use single point AF.

My (3 year old) Nikon is fine in good to lowish light (ie a church is ok), any focus point works fine. But in darkness (first dance) it's awful, I need the red AF assist beam from a flash.

Remember we're not solving your problems, we're trying to help the OP decide on a camera, and we're probably actually just being in pain in the butt now, not helping.

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