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Topic # 148643 25-Jun-2014 21:30
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Hi,

I need to put in a colour laser printer for our office (ethernet networked).

It will be used almost exclusively to print our catalogues - we have multiple documents, they change all the time, and hence we don't get them done outside as the upfront costs and hassle make it too hard.

The print volumes are about 4,000 A4 sides per month.

If I use a starting guess of, say, 20c per page, then we are looking at consumable costs of abour $800 pm ($10,000 pa). Therefore a 10% change in costs will turn into $80 pm or about $1,000 pa.

Given this, it seems to me that the up front cost of the printer is probably less important than the per page cost (within reason).

Can anyone suggest either specific machines I should look at, or where I can find comparisons of per page costs for printers available in NZ?

I have Googled, and searched on Geekzone, but I can't find anything that shows me what I need - most references are to home printing and include suggestions to use continuous / ink systems - we are looking for a laser solution.

Thanks,

Alan.


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  Reply # 1074611 25-Jun-2014 21:48
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Have you taken into consideratin all consumables, servicing costs (eg site visits), and toner? You maybe best to contcat a company that services them.



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  Reply # 1074637 25-Jun-2014 22:07
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Hi,

Yes - I should have said we are doing that too, but I need to also look at the purchased / owned option to compare with the rental options.

Alan.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1074639 25-Jun-2014 22:08
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Kyocera has been the cheapest per page when we have run the numbers. Stupid MFC's they sell only have a 250 page paper tray tho, and I will never ever recommend getting a printer without a 500 page tray.




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  Reply # 1074657 25-Jun-2014 22:11
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I believe the most cost effective way to is be on a plan. Our plan for instance covers two large Ricoh MP C4500 and MP C2800 printer/copiers and several thousand pages per month of b/w and X number of colour pages. They simply send the toner refills when they phone home to alert they are getting low.

Then every few years they upgrade them, all part of the plan.





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  Reply # 1074831 26-Jun-2014 09:54
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Hi RichMS,

richms: Kyocera has been the cheapest per page when we have run the numbers. Stupid MFC's they sell only have a 250 page paper tray tho, and I will never ever recommend getting a printer without a 500 page tray.


I will look at the Kyocera range - I have not personally ever used one of their machines, but that doesn't really matter.

The lack of a 500 page tray probably won't be a major issue.  The printer will be close to plenty of people, and in particular whoever is running the catalogues will be within a few feet so they should be able to refill it without much hassle.

Thanks,

Alan.



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  Reply # 1074833 26-Jun-2014 09:56
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Hi Insane,

insane: I believe the most cost effective way to is be on a plan. Our plan for instance covers two large Ricoh MP C4500 and MP C2800 printer/copiers and several thousand pages per month of b/w and X number of colour pages. They simply send the toner refills when they phone home to alert they are getting low.

Then every few years they upgrade them, all part of the plan.


You could be right, but I want to know that I have at least looked around and calculated the total costs to a reasonable extent - its a reasonable amount of money :-)

Thanks,

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  Reply # 1075308 26-Jun-2014 22:58
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the brother printers are really cheap per page (maybe 2c/page), but the colour repro isn't as good as the HP (maybe 20c/page). the paper you print on makes a difference too.  maybe catalogue printing needs good colour repro - might want to try before you buy.  the brother was perfect for what I used.




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  Reply # 1075453 27-Jun-2014 10:39
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Have a look at people like Fuji Xerox and Minolta (and all the other "photocopier" vendors). I think Corporate Consumables also do a per page price lease and I'm sure there are others too.

 

 

They lease printers and charge per page. Some of their machines are also capable of stapling which makes bulk output of things like catalogues much easier.

 

 

I'm not sure if their pricing would be competitive with your volume but their printers will save you a lot of staff time in refilling paper and removing output.



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  Reply # 1075523 27-Jun-2014 13:53
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Hi Regs,

Regs: the brother printers are really cheap per page (maybe 2c/page), but the colour repro isn't as good as the HP (maybe 20c/page). the paper you print on makes a difference too.  maybe catalogue printing needs good colour repro - might want to try before you buy.  the brother was perfect for what I used.


I have to admit that my impression of Brother has not been great, but not based on personal experience, just a general view I seem to have come to for no good reason over the years.  However I asked around, and it seems they have either improved, or their reputation has, as I did not find anyone who has used them saying anything negative - quite the opposite.

I will have a look at their range.

Do you have a suggestion for a specific model / series that you have used?

Thanks,

Alan.



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  Reply # 1075525 27-Jun-2014 13:54
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Hi Graeme,

graemeh: Have a look at people like Fuji Xerox and Minolta (and all the other "photocopier" vendors). I think Corporate Consumables also do a per page price lease and I'm sure there are others too. They lease printers and charge per page. Some of their machines are also capable of stapling which makes bulk output of things like catalogues much easier. I'm not sure if their pricing would be competitive with your volume but their printers will save you a lot of staff time in refilling paper and removing output.


I am getting quotes from both of those, and other copier rental companies.

I take your point about time, but when we are printing catalogues, it is rarely, if ever, a time constrained thing - just something that the guys do when they have spare time.

Thanks,

Alan.

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  Reply # 1075565 27-Jun-2014 15:03
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Try Independent Printer Review. Its an NZ site, so should be useful.



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  Reply # 1075594 27-Jun-2014 15:25
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Hi BlueShift,

BlueShift: Try Independent Printer Review. Its an NZ site, so should be useful.


Looks like it is for resellers etc - they won't give out information to end-users :-)

Thanks for the idea though.

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  Reply # 1075754 27-Jun-2014 20:20
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this is the last brother I bought and works great after bit over a year: http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=PTRBRT1686162&name=BROTHER-MFC9970CDW-Colour-Laser-MFP-PrintCopyScanF 

previous model was similar size/price, lasted 3+ years as the main workhorse printer for a group of 15 people





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  Reply # 1077850 1-Jul-2014 13:28
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Hi Regs,

Regs: this is the last brother I bought and works great after bit over a year: http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=PTRBRT1686162&name=BROTHER-MFC9970CDW-Colour-Laser-MFP-PrintCopyScanF 

previous model was similar size/price, lasted 3+ years as the main workhorse printer for a group of 15 people



Thanks for that - Brother is looking like quite a good option at this point....

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  Reply # 1077934 1-Jul-2014 14:33
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Alan it seems you are working in graphic design environment.

I suggest you need to spend some time and determine whether or not you require a Post Script capable printer.

Colour shifting can be a real headache with some printers. You may need to create a test document with the printers colour profile and do a test print to see if the printer you are considering is prone colour shift.

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