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# 208318 6-Feb-2017 22:53
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Hi there everyone!

I've recently found an interest in photographing. This interest kind of came about in conjunction with the steady addiction of watching travel vloggers on Youtube, following awesome photography accounts on Instagram and just a general interest in the outdoors here in NZ (accessible) and overseas (where I want to explore and document via photo/video)


At the moment I take pictures on my Samsung s5, which has a surprisingly decent camera with detail for an older android phone. I enjoy the editing process in Instagram (I know it is probably nooby and extremely basic but I love messing with a picture I have taken to make it into something different/more epic but also retaining the reality of the photo).

Basically, I like to hike and explore mountains by myself and I enjoy our NZ wildlife and amazing landscape and want to document and photograph things in my own special way. I like to think I see the picture before I take it, the angles, the size and scope, what it expresses to me and what I project back by editing and posting online. It sounds weird, but I want something to capture what I already see with my eyes and mind, and to enhance and portray that in a way that reaches people out in the world and beyond.


Hopefully this isn't too long of a post (it's my first one haha, just made my account tonight in the hopes of finding good advice and cool people to speak about photography with).


So at the end of all this, I guess I am wondering, what type of camera could fill this need/desire to learn the basics and get better? What types of cameras are out there in NZ stores or online that are decently priced but also are a good camera for myself? Whether it be a smaller digital or a DSLR or something else.

Thankyou for taking the time to read my post if you do, look forward to hearing what ya'll have to say!

Cheers


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  # 1716261 6-Feb-2017 23:03
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My guess is your eye is tuned to 16:9, and you will in practice prefer to use something in that format, and with an outstanding live preview.



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  # 1716264 6-Feb-2017 23:20
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I guess so I'm not too sure, it's just what I have at the moment so am limited to what I use. But looking to purchase something different, and make an investment. Which will obviously change my perspective etc on how to view things and take pictures. Do you recommend anything in particular, or a path to go down in terms of DSLR or not DSLR?


 
 
 
 


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  # 1716289 7-Feb-2017 04:54
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Unless you have your heart set on a DSLR, take a look at the mirrorless options out there.  They are very good now, and are less bulky than an SLR

 

I have a Olympus OMD-M10 Mark I.  I've had it for about two years and it has suited me well. They is also some other decent options out there from the likes of Sony, Fuji and a few others I can't recall right now. 

 

It's also worth thinking about what features are deal breakers for you.  Do you want wifi?  Do you need a view finder? These things narrow down your options to a manageable number.


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  # 1716322 7-Feb-2017 08:51
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Another angle is the weather sealing requirements, as it has been known to rain a little bit in NZ from time to time.  4 seasons in one day an all...

 

 

 

Personally I shoot with Pentax cameras, flowed from film into digital with them years ago, but they're almost non existent here in most NZ stores now.  Reason I mention this though is that all but the very basic models are weather sealed, as is their basic 'kit lens', which is actually pretty good also.  With this you don't have to worry if it starts raining on you.  Their weaknesses are tracking autofocus and video, but if you're into landscapes then they really excel.

 

 

 

So, as others have mentioned above really, it would pay to be clear about your requirements. This will help you refine down your options to a targeted group of products more.  Good news though, in there really isn't a bad camera these days.  They're all pretty good, so it's kinda hard to go wrong.  More and more it's about non imaging features, as they're all quite capable image sensor wise.  Aspects like menus and the user interface, wifi, video, gps, touchscreens, weather sealing etc are where the modern developments are headed, and a lot of that is personal taste/requirements too.

 

 

 

Mirrorless does offer some alternatives in this market, with the same sensors as DSLR's, just without the need for a mirror and optical viewfinder prism etc.  This cuts down on a bit of weight/size, but this can be a mute point if you have lots of bulky lenses anyway.  Mirrorless battery life isn't necessarily as good as a DSLR though, which can be a consideration if you're out, away from power to charge.

 

 

 

Welcome on board to geekzone, and to more serious photography also.  Glad to have you along.


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  # 1716342 7-Feb-2017 09:14
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We have a mirrorless SLR 

 

http://www.sony.co.nz/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-5100-body-kit

 

The problem with traditional SLR is the bulk. The mirrorless has certainly sorted that out. Great little camera for the money. Having said that the S7 camera is great as well.

 

Cheers, Matt.





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  # 1716403 7-Feb-2017 10:47
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I think the modern mirrorless DSLRs are probably the way of the future. We bought an entry level DSLR years ago (before the mirrorless revolution). It takes great photos but in all honesty it's too bulky to carry everywhere with you.

 

Obviously do your research, but in addition to stats, features etc. I'd also recommend actually visiting a store and picking up your top couple of candidates and playing with them. I initially had one particular model in mind but on picking it up, it just didn't feel right in my hands. Second pick felt so much better.

 

Second recommendation is to go to a photography course (or even read a book) and figure out what all the features you're paying for actually do. It's a lot more rewarding shooting in manual mode and getting that soft background focus or crisp sporting moment just right (the bits you're never going to be able to sort out after the event).




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  # 1716901 7-Feb-2017 22:37
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Hey all! 

Thankyou so much for your replies and advice and links to cameras etc. Have only just had a chance to check them now, but I can see where the general advice is heading. And that is towards considering at least for what I want to do a smaller SLR camera. Are those typically mirrorless as well?

I would be looking for something that is smaller but still retains a lot of the  qualities I am looking for that may or may not be in a bigger or DSLR camera. 

Thanks for your recommendations on researching and also checking good camera stores out that have a wide range so I can have a true look and feel experience of what I might want/suits best :) 

And cheers mdf! A possible look at a photography course sounds like a good way to gain some first hand knowledge and experience from manual focus etc. I'll definitely be keen to look at something like that and talk to other photographers in person as well.


How did you guys/girls get started with your photography? Was it like a similar post like mine in order to bounce ideas/advice off each other? And your first camera's haha. Be interested to hear what ya'll have to say :D

Cheers 


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  # 1716954 8-Feb-2017 05:29
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hi guys 

 

 

 

i don't mean to hijack the post but i am in the same position starting up my semi professional photography career lol.....well the thing is i am going on a 17 country tour in europe in june this year 

 

i hoping to take sum nice shots with a decent camera ( or will be the s8 in raw mode ) ...hopefully i be good at it ,taking shots i mean 

 

what are the chances of selling pics mind you the markets over loaded with amateur  professionals these days, is there any hope, ive seen a few websites offer few cents to good money for pics 

 

i kind have to justify the spend to the miss sum how lol 

 

how mush is it the software side of things post production for pics these days ?





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  # 1716955 8-Feb-2017 06:18
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What sort of money are you wanting to spend?

 

That will likely shape the actual discussion you make, do you mind second hand?

 

I looked into a class for my ex a while ago and the zoo had photography classes in Auckland so depending on where you are that might be a cool thing to do!


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  # 1716960 8-Feb-2017 07:06
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@ModernNeanderthal - mirrorless is going to be better than a DSLR, they're just a bit more compact and have more features. You can always change to a DSLR later if you need one. Some professionals are using mirrorless as well as DLSR for some things.

 

Canon, Nikon, and Sony are the main DSLR brands, Pentax is an also ran. Olympus and Panasonic are two mirrorless vendors that may do better than Canon/Nikon. Sony is really up and coming. I have a Sony RX100 v1 (they're up to v5 now), that's an awesome little camera. It has a huge sensor and a nice lens but fits in a front jeans pocket. Even though I have two DSLR cameras I use the Sony almost exclusively for family and travel photos these days.

 

@Cokeman - your chances of selling photos are basically zero unless you're EXCEPTIONAL or unique, and as a beginner you're very unlikely to be either. Maybe stock photos. You can't justify the cost of a camera by saying you're going to sell photos. Look at a second hand RX100.

 

To both, Lightroom and Photoshop are the main software professionals use, but I'm a professional photographer and I hate lightroom - I use Bridge, which comes with Photoshop. These days you buy a subscription rather than buying the software. There are other options that are worth considering, Corel and others, but I've never used them. Google for photography software reviews.


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  # 1716974 8-Feb-2017 08:38
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depends on how much money OP wants to burn. 

 

And how much time and energy they want to put in.





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  # 1716991 8-Feb-2017 09:06
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I would definitely consider the current generation of mirror-less over a traditional DSLR for your needs - with the same caveat as above; you will need to bring a few spare batteries with you if you are shooting hard all day. Buying into a system will dictate the lenses and kit you buy so it is worth doing the research based on that and not just the base camera.

 

Thing is, all the tech specs and reviews in the world can't substitute for getting the cameras in your hand and trying them. Some cameras just "click" (pun very much intended) when you pick them up and start shooting and the feel and joy of using a camera that suits you can't be ignored and can't be found from a website.

 

Modern cameras are like modern cars these days - even the worst ones are great...they will all do pretty much all you ever need if you buy a reputable brand:

 

All that said, take a look at:

 

 

 

1) The Fujifilm interchangeable mirror-less range. Top end the X-T2 and X-Pro2 or the older variants X-T1 and X-Pro1 for a saving given they are a generation old. They have also just released the X-T20 which is the new "little brother" of the X-T2 which might be worth a look with the X-T10 being the previous version. I have the X-T1 (moved away from Nikon DSLR) and love it. Rugged, weather proof, great images/performance and a great selection of lenses. Cons: Doesn't have in-body image stabilization like a lot of the competitors (the lenses make up for this in some models) and the form factor may not suit everyone.

 

2) The Olympus Micro 4/3 mirror-less range. My Dad shoots with these and swears by them (he is winning competitions all year, so he hopefully knows what he is talking about). The big daddy is the O-MD EM-1 Mk2 (stupid names...) which is a fantastic camera and I came very close to buying it's predecessor when I finally got my X-T1. Offers great performance, weather sealing and in-body image stabilization, but like the X-T2 is expensive! Further down the range you have the equally impressive E-M5 and E-M10 which might be a better starting point and still have many of the features of the range-topper. As with the Fujifilm, these are all now into their second generation and you could save some money buying the older revisions which would still do all you want.

 

3) The Sony Alpha 6xxxx range, which I know nothing about other than what I have read and the fact that many people swear by them and they have a great rep. 6500 > 6300 > 6000 are all analogous to the other mirror-less ranges listed above.

 

4) If you want to look at a "traditional" DSLR - and there are still some advantages to doing so (battery life, focus/tracking speed, range of second hand and 3rd party lenses available - but these are rapidly being nullified by subsequent generations of mirror-less) I would recommend Nikon just because it is what I used and I really liked their handling and menus etc, but there is not too much between Nikon & Canon & Sony in this area. Look at the D3400 or D5500 for a great entry point or advanced entry point respectively, or even the the D7200 if you want to Go Large straight out the bat.

 

 

 

When it comes down to it, although some particularly technical types of photography do demand specific kit (sports/action, Nature, Astro etc), the quality of the pictures you take is 85-90% down to the eye you have as a photographer and the skill you demonstrate in capturing images that others have not.

 

...doesn't mean you can't still enjoy getting a nice bit of imaging tech though!





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  # 1717108 8-Feb-2017 10:55
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thanks for the info

 

 

 

its just cause of the europe trip coming up i thought get into it a bit more

 

i always been keen photography on the phone camera ,which is limited to what u do , taken about 1000 pics on my last trip to the Uk bout 2 years ago 

 

second hand is a good option especially if u get all the lens with it etc ....then theirs a few deals around that give u package deals 





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It's an interesting time in the world camera wise, as above there's no real bad ones anymore. 

 

 

 

Phone cameras, and compact travel cameras, are genuinely very capable these days, shunting larger cameras more and more into the niche areas that require more dedicated tools to obtain a satisfactory result in.

 

An example is low light photography, where either flash or a larger sensor/better lenses are required.  For spontaneous travel photos, you would likely want an all rounder that was on hand when you needed it, which may be a phone or a compact, or a bigger camera you carry with you. 

 

 

 

I don't know about others, but for me the DSLR comes out when I want to make an image, where I have the time to create the shot I want, and part of my process is to come home and then 'develop' the shot, before producing a final output.  It's becoming less fun to travel with a large kit bag of lenses etc, but your travel plans, requirements and priorities will no doubt differ to mine.  Travel wise personally now I'd be looking at a good all rounder compact, rather than an interchangeable lens camera.  When you're in a location for a limited amount of time, I don't think you want to waste too much time swapping lenses.  Nothing I shoot on the DSLR gets emailed/uploaded etc without post processing, even if my camera had wifi built in for example.

 

 

 

Sensor wise cameras are often very similar between the mirrorless format and a DSLR, so image wise a lot of the time they are both very capable.  DSLR's give you an optical viewfinder, which many still prefer, but if you don't mind composing on a rear screen, or electronic viewfinder, then this may not be as important to you.  For fast action the DSLR is usually better at focussing quickly, but mirrorless tech seems better/as good at tracking an object and maintaining focus as it moves.  Apart from those two major aspects, there's not a lot between mirrorless and DSLRs now.  Only other factors between the two are battery life seems better usually on DSLRs and you often get smaller lenses on the mirrrorless bodies, unless you're using adaptors to connect to them. 

 

 

 

As above by others also, it really does pay to remember that seeing and being able to make a call on how you want to capture an image is far a more important component to good photos than your gear.  The most expensive or newest won't necessarily translate directly into better photos.  Having time to get to know your gear before you travel could save a lot of heartache too.  Good luck smile

 

 




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  # 1717428 8-Feb-2017 23:01
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I found something similar to what you guys have mentioned in terms of a small digital camera. It doesn't have a viewfinder but a large screen, and it is waterproof and shockproof but does have interchangeable lenses. So it kinda fits what we have been discussing. I also found a Canon EOS 100D haha, being a smaller DSLR but having a lot of the same qualities as it's larger counteparts... I thought maybe that would be a good option too.

What do you guys think of the 100D? The waterproof and shockproof smaller silver camera is a Nikon i think. I was at Snapshot in Hamilton as that is where I currently live.


Cheers ya'll!

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