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Devastation by stupidity
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  #1997704 17-Apr-2018 11:48
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Email. Works fine for the people I want to stay in touch with. I have no need to spew my trivia like a sneeze to half the world.

 

 





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  #1997891 17-Apr-2018 15:09
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I don't think email is going away anytime soon. It is a problem when you receive dozens or hundreds of messages per day.
I feel sorry not sorry for those who thought it was a good idea using Facebook as an identity manager. You know, that 'Login with Facebook button' that you agreed to use exposing your public profile and contact friends to third-party companies that probably don’t care very much about you or your privacy. If you no longer have access to any of the accounts associated with your Facebook profile, you have to, either edit, or delete and recreate a bunch of other accounts which is annoying. 


 
 
 
 


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  #1997901 17-Apr-2018 15:20
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Yeah, I never use login with Google* or any other for that matter either, for the exact same reason. Recovery email address is still a single point of failure. I have a reasonably good password that is unique to that service, and app-based authenticator.

 

 

 

 

 

*Yes, I use GMail so Google already knows all my dirty laundry. If they offered a paid service where they guaranteed not to read my email I'd use that.





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  #1998019 17-Apr-2018 18:53
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FWIW, Can only speak for myself. Personally never liked the company nor their behaviour, so had elected on principle not to support them by staying off of their platform as long as I could *

Primarily use my own personal domain for E-mail and as a place to post up any travel / event photos, etc. (And is my primary means to which I stay in contact with the majority of my friends and family both at home and abroad, particularly many of my relatives in Mainland China)

Currently test driving a self-hosted Matrix chat server (as a federated / inter-operable alternative to the centralized services such as WhatsApp, WeChat, FB Messenger)





*Relented after much protestation (shouting) leveled at me from some friends for not being reachable via Facebook. Frustratingly, for some of them FB has essentially become THE internet (Yes, may be I need to consider reviewing whether or not I consider staying friends). Have since mothballed the account and it acts primarily as a directory listing, pointing people to my personal domain instead.

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  #1998069 17-Apr-2018 20:18
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Most of my friends and family have switched to WhatsApp thanks to Facebook/Messenger bloat over the years, so it made the decision to delete Facebook easy


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  #1998071 17-Apr-2018 20:19
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nas:

 

Most of my friends and family have switched to WhatsApp thanks to Facebook/Messenger bloat over the years, so it made the decision to delete Facebook easy

 

 

I quite liked WhatsApp until I found out who owned it.


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  #1998074 17-Apr-2018 20:28
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I'm aware of who owns it, but it doesn't track my web movements, advertise things to me when using it and chat is encrypted by default


 
 
 
 


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  #1998076 17-Apr-2018 20:29
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I'm quite happy to use email from my laptop at home to communicate with people when I need to. I don't need to be in contact with the whole world via the internet 24/7. The same goes for phoning people. I have a land line phone for making and receiving phone calls. Works for me.

 

No instagram, twitter, facebook or whatever smartphone app is currently flavour of the month for me. No smartphone, no cellphone period.

 

Guess what? I don't even have a fax machine! Shock horror. tongue-out


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  #1998256 18-Apr-2018 08:08
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nas:

 

I'm aware of who owns it, but it doesn't track my web movements, advertise things to me when using it and chat is encrypted by default

 

 

 

 

How do you know it isn't tracking your web movements? It probably isn't on iOS, but it might be on Android, (see: Messenger downloading everything the phone can store and sending it to Facebook). And as far as the chat being encrypted by default - yes, it's encrypted while in transit over the internet so that random people can't read it. But once it's on your handset, it is decrypted by the app so that it can be displayed on your screen. Decrypted by the app that is owned and written by Facebook.

 

The encryption stops random people from reading your messages as they whizz past a compromised router. It does zero to prevent Facebook from doing it.





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  #1998258 18-Apr-2018 08:11
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@rikkitic, do you miss not having a thousand+ virtual friends as much as I do?


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  #1998264 18-Apr-2018 08:21
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SaltyNZ:

 

nas:

 

I'm aware of who owns it, but it doesn't track my web movements, advertise things to me when using it and chat is encrypted by default

 

 

 

 

How do you know it isn't tracking your web movements? It probably isn't on iOS, but it might be on Android, (see: Messenger downloading everything the phone can store and sending it to Facebook). And as far as the chat being encrypted by default - yes, it's encrypted while in transit over the internet so that random people can't read it. But once it's on your handset, it is decrypted by the app so that it can be displayed on your screen. Decrypted by the app that is owned and written by Facebook.

 

The encryption stops random people from reading your messages as they whizz past a compromised router. It does zero to prevent Facebook from doing it.

 

 

 

 

If either of those were true then, given the current state of paranoia over privacy, it would've been found out already

 

The encryption in WhatsApp is from Open Whisper which is also used in Signal.

 

Would I prefer my friends and family use Signal? Yes, but I can't force people onto it.


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  #1998265 18-Apr-2018 08:21
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I realised this morning that The Simpsons predicted this Facebook outrage too.

 

 

 





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  #1998283 18-Apr-2018 08:46
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nas:

 

If either of those were true then, given the current state of paranoia over privacy, it would've been found out already

 

 

 

 

Oh, well, that's OK then.

 

 

 

 

The encryption in WhatsApp is from Open Whisper which is also used in Signal.

 

Would I prefer my friends and family use Signal? Yes, but I can't force people onto it.

 

 

 

 

Yes, I know where the encryption comes from.

 

My local bank branch has a safe where they keep all the cash after hours. To be fair, I've never seen it, but I'm quite sure it's a great safe that would need hours of work with big cutting tools to breach so the police would be around long before you could open it. However, it will not prevent a phishing attack from draining my account.

 

My point is not that the encryption is bad. My point is that the encryption does not protect against that threat.

 

If you can reconcile to trust one application written and owned by a company that you 100% know for sure tries to find out everything they can about you in every way they can whether you want them to or not, but not the other, then go ahead. I just think trusting anything Facebook tells you is... naive.

 

 

 

 





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  #1998448 18-Apr-2018 11:22
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You can use FB without uploading personal photos and personal info. That was never compulsory . Why would we it expect that to allways stay private ?
Most of the info in my FB profile I made up . Uninstalled off the ph & access only via browser : so less Android permission issues

 

All these mumblings about FB.
Perhaps take a hard look at Android & app permissions instead . And free email a/c's that trawls through all your email , browsers & search
engines that know every search youve done, ever.
Companies that drove our streets in their little cars gathering anything they could from all insecure wifi they detected . Illegal btw & then
they said it was just an accident .

 

FB, pfft . Drop in the bucket
:-(

 

 


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  #1999247 19-Apr-2018 12:32
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I think it's very naive believing that a fake profile will keep your online activities and identity safe. There's no way (legally) to fully protect your privacy. The State knows everything about you. The Internet provider knows you better than your mother. The bank and credit card company know lots about you. Unfortunately, after nine eleven, there's no such thing as privacy anymore. 


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