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  # 703559 19-Oct-2012 15:08
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I just got an email from them to say they are starting an advertising campaign next week aling with new features. The problem is that they don't have an unsubscribe link in the email. I thought they had to have those these days.



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  # 703562 19-Oct-2012 15:11
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mattwnz: I just got an email from them to say they are starting an advertising campaign next week aling with new features. The problem is that they don't have an unsubscribe link in the email. I thought they had to have those these days.


Yes, a functional unsubscribe is required to be present:
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2007/0007/latest/DLM405207.html






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  # 703570 19-Oct-2012 15:18
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Tell the DIA about no unsubscribe link at this URL and get them to tell them off
http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Services-Anti-Spam-Complain-About-Spam

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  # 703571 19-Oct-2012 15:19
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Unless you have agreed to receive the messages when you joined, in which case they only need stop sending you messages when you terminate the business relationship with them.




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  # 719978 20-Nov-2012 10:46
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Today I've received the second email from them asking to subscribe - so I clicked the UNSUBSCRIBE link to have my email removed from the mailing list.

Instead of an automatic unsubscribe link, it's actually an email with "unsubscribe" in the subject. Poor.

First the email I use to send/receive by default is not the same as the one I used for the service. So it won't work without my having to login to another email system, etc, etc.

So went to the site itself. No option in the profile page to turn off emails.

Also the password field can't be changed. Instead there's a message "Leave these fields blank if you don't want to change your password" with no fields at all.

I wonder if it will survive.





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  # 720226 20-Nov-2012 17:15
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Cant stand sites that require you to know what address you used to subscribe to be able to unsubscribe.

I thought that a working unsubscribe link was a requirement in the silly antispam law?




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  # 720246 20-Nov-2012 17:32
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freitasm: Today I've received the second email from them asking to subscribe - so I clicked the UNSUBSCRIBE link to have my email removed from the mailing list.

Instead of an automatic unsubscribe link, it's actually an email with "unsubscribe" in the subject. Poor.

First the email I use to send/receive by default is not the same as the one I used for the service. So it won't work without my having to login to another email system, etc, etc.

So went to the site itself. No option in the profile page to turn off emails.

Also the password field can't be changed. Instead there's a message "Leave these fields blank if you don't want to change your password" with no fields at all.

I wonder if it will survive.



I previously sent an unsubscribe request to them by return email, when they last emailed me, and I also got this one today. So their unsubscription system can't be working.

I don't think it has to be an automated system, but I beleive if it isn't, it has to be staffed and people have to be able to unsubscribe if they request it.

 
 
 
 


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  # 720350 20-Nov-2012 20:38
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freitasm: Today I've received the second email from them asking to subscribe - so I clicked the UNSUBSCRIBE link to have my email removed from the mailing list.

Instead of an automatic unsubscribe link, it's actually an email with "unsubscribe" in the subject. Poor.

First the email I use to send/receive by default is not the same as the one I used for the service. So it won't work without my having to login to another email system, etc, etc.

So went to the site itself. No option in the profile page to turn off emails.

Also the password field can't be changed. Instead there's a message "Leave these fields blank if you don't want to change your password" with no fields at all.

I wonder if it will survive.


Not unless they up their game, no it won't.



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  # 739720 3-Jan-2013 13:10
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Oh boy, I decided to have another look at ListSellTrade today for the heck of it.

They are now running a "competition" to win 1 million dollars with a * indicating there are terms and conditions.

The terms and conditions reveal that the prize will given to a random paid subscriber with a current listing, as soon as they reach 500 THOUSAND paid subscribers.

Note that being a paid subscriber means paying them $10 a month.

So when they are pulling in $5 million a month, they will give a one-time million bucks away to a subscriber.

This seems absolutely likely to happen before the natural death from old age of said subscriber, or at least said subscriber's grandchildren.

This seems really really scummy to me, so scummy that I wonder if this breaks lotteries laws, perhaps worth forwarding it to the Department of Internal Affairs.




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  # 739742 3-Jan-2013 14:08
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sleemanj: Oh boy, I decided to have another look at ListSellTrade today for the heck of it.

They are now running a "competition" to win 1 million dollars with a * indicating there are terms and conditions.

The terms and conditions reveal that the prize will given to a random paid subscriber with a current listing, as soon as they reach 500 THOUSAND paid subscribers.

Note that being a paid subscriber means paying them $10 a month.

So when they are pulling in $5 million a month, they will give a one-time million bucks away to a subscriber.

This seems absolutely likely to happen before the natural death from old age of said subscriber, or at least said subscriber's grandchildren.

This seems really really scummy to me, so scummy that I wonder if this breaks lotteries laws, perhaps worth forwarding it to the Department of Internal Affairs.


Its a competition not a lottery. 
Paid members can choose to participate if they wish to do so once they are notified of the 500,000 user and then those members who choose to participate have 3 months to comply to the terms and conditions of the competition. 

Seems reasonable to me if I was to participate however Im not inclined to be a paid member as I dont sell anything regularly !  500,000 users sure is a huge target however they havent mentioned any drop dead dates.... from what I can see this competition will run forever ! hahahah. 

(I wonder how many overseas based sellers/traders may sign up and peddle their products). 


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  # 739745 3-Jan-2013 14:11
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Im sure this will appeal to the car / house / boat traders and those who can do the math and see that $10 per month is better than selling fees espcially when they are high volume and/or high value traders.



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  # 739747 3-Jan-2013 14:24
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 Paid members can choose to participate if they wish to do so once they are notified of the 500,000 user and then those members who choose to participate have 3 months to comply to the terms and conditions of the competition. 



Not how I read it.

They make the draw, from the current paid subscribers when they have had 500 thousand people pay (and have something listed) for 3 consecutive months or more, each.


Gooseybhai: Its a competition not a lottery. 


The Police summary has this to say...
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http://www.police.govt.nz/service/community/gambling.html.
Lotteries: A lottery is gambling that involves a random draw that takes place after all participants have entered. Raffles and sweepstakes are common types of lotteries.
Prize competitions: Unlike a lottery, a prize competition is gambling that requires participants to exercise some knowledge or skill.
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I think it fits the definition of Lottery better than Competition.  You'll note that when companies like coke etc do this kind of prize draw, there is a piece of knowledge involved (code on the bottle etc).











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  # 739751 3-Jan-2013 14:26
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Roughly one in 500,000 chance of winning a million... the odds are just as good as lotto!

Edit: read the T&C again ! 

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  # 739757 3-Jan-2013 14:49
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Regardless, doing the prize draw when they have 500,000 paid subscribers with listings.

Yeah, wait for three generations from now for this to happen. They should set a more realistic target - 10,000 paid members, or 25,000 paid members.

Half a million members? It ain't gonna happen any time soon.




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  # 739794 3-Jan-2013 16:03
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But then they wouldn't be able to afford to pay the prize, as a mil is a lot of money to pay out. 

I thought this article was interesting http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10849721

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