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Topic # 120947 19-Jun-2013 14:03
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Hi guys, I'm the owner of ZoomIn.co.nz. I'd be keen to get your input on what I could do with the site.

First, some background:

I started zoomin back in 2005, before Google Maps released in New Zealand. Back then there were no mapping apis, so we rolled our own javascript api (using a tool called ka-maps) and created our own map tiles (using data from a nz provider and rendered using mapserver). I originally had the idea of creating a site that was like 'flickr for maps', where you could find businesses, tag them, categorize them, and add them to groups where people could discuss could places and recommend things to each other.

I started building this as a site called guide.org.nz, and got some good traction with just the maps, even without any businesses or other places. I then met a guy called John Clegg who invested in the company and we renamed the maps to zoomin.co.nz. We got a good lead on wises and google maps in New Zealand, so we started getting a bit of traffic. We then came up with a cool URL addressing scheme, so that a map of leeds street, te aro, would have the map url /wellington/te+aro/leeds+street/. Google then came along and indexed this url scheme and we got some good google juice.

We then added support for tags, comments, photos and groups. So people can create a new business on the site, add photos, use tags to categorise it, and then add comments to record their experience. This was in 2006, and we were getting good traction with the site, and the bulk of the comments and groups on the site were created in 2006/2007.

I then left zoomin at the end of 2006 to go live in Germany, and John and the team kept zoomin running. Sadly, after 2007, the amount of social activity on the site went into a bit of a backwards slide. I'm not sure if this was because different revisions of the site made it too hard to discover the social content, or whether competing sites (menumania, google maps, panoramio) did such a good job of the social aspect of zoomin that people didn't see the need any more.

Anway - fastforward to 2012 and I got in contact with John and I convinced him to sell me the site. So since mid-2012, I've been slowly chipping away at bringing the design of the site up to date, and trying to pump some life back into the site.

So, this is my question, do you think there's still an opportunity to build a social network around maps and businesses, or is this niche too well served by foursquare, yelp, localist and facebook places?

I'd really love to get the groups pumping again, get people creating little communities around mountain bike tracks, or craft beer bars, or family friendly restaurants. That's my ultimate goal for zoomin, to be a more social version of google maps.

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  Reply # 839432 19-Jun-2013 14:47
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I remember that website, in the times before google maps. I think competing with google maps and google + integration is a tough one, it is a bit like a business taking on trademe. I know you are trying to add something different, but it is finding that something different that is engaging, which is the key, to make the site sticky. Where are you getting your business information from to display on your maps, because some of the businesses on it look out of date? If you can get googles ones so businesses are all up to date, that could add a lot to it. 
Not sure of the future of forums. Apart from specialist one ones like geekzone, and baby ones etc, they do seem to be dying, in favor of facebook pages, which IMO are nowhere near as good.



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  Reply # 840394 20-Jun-2013 16:10
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mattwnz: I remember that website, in the times before google maps. I think competing with google maps and google + integration is a tough one, it is a bit like a business taking on trademe. I know you are trying to add something different, but it is finding that something different that is engaging, which is the key, to make the site sticky. Where are you getting your business information from to display on your maps, because some of the businesses on it look out of date? If you can get googles ones so businesses are all up to date, that could add a lot to it. 
Not sure of the future of forums. Apart from specialist one ones like geekzone, and baby ones etc, they do seem to be dying, in favor of facebook pages, which IMO are nowhere near as good.


The business data has been added from users, zenbu and openstreetmap. I'm going to do run a data tidying job that will tidy up a lot of the moved or broken businesses.

Competing against google maps is a bit hard, but there are a few thousand people a day that use ZoomIn, so there it's solving a need for some people, I just need to work out what exactly people want ZoomIn to be, and whether my social aspirations for it can somehow be made attractive to the current users.

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  Reply # 840408 20-Jun-2013 16:33
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Zoomin still gets good Google juice. I often type addresses into Google search and Zoomin is often the first result. So it would be a shame to lose all that hard work. I think competing against Google isn't such a crazy idea - especially if you have good Kiwi flavour to the product. (e.g. Trade Me vs eBay) NZ lacks a good recommendations site, like Yelp in the US, so doing something along those lines with added social features could work out well.

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