Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | ... | 24
3085 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 509

Trusted

  Reply # 1439628 3-Dec-2015 00:19
Send private message

coffeebaron:
LivingSkinny:
coffeebaron: Can you run VoIP? CG-NAT or public IP?


Sorry you can't do 'Voice over IP' with Skinny Broadband. But of course you can use apps like Skype or Viber to make and receive calls if you want to.

It is behind CG-NAT.

and if you want to make cheap calls then you could always join Skinny Mobile...



I did mean primarily VoIP through another provider, but with CG-NAT, then I guess the answer is no.


I believe an IAX trunk works behind a general NAT connection- probably CG-NAT too
And you can get no-name brand ATA's that do IAX in addition to SIP




Ray Taylor
Taylor Broadband (rural hawkes bay)
www.ruralkiwi.com

There is no place like localhost
For my general guide to extending your wireless network Click Here




831 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 239


  Reply # 1439842 3-Dec-2015 12:13
Send private message

raytaylor:
coffeebaron:
LivingSkinny:
coffeebaron: Can you run VoIP? CG-NAT or public IP?


Sorry you can't do 'Voice over IP' with Skinny Broadband. But of course you can use apps like Skype or Viber to make and receive calls if you want to.

It is behind CG-NAT.

and if you want to make cheap calls then you could always join Skinny Mobile...



I did mean primarily VoIP through another provider, but with CG-NAT, then I guess the answer is no.


I believe an IAX trunk works behind a general NAT connection- probably CG-NAT too
And you can get no-name brand ATA's that do IAX in addition to SIP


That sounds interesting.  Where can I get no-name IAX ATAs?

 
 
 
 


259 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 40

Subscriber

  Reply # 1441493 6-Dec-2015 19:32
Send private message

Hmmm, not so fast.  Ran speedtest a number of times on my phone on the 4g connection, and the speeds are all over the place (I don't think buildings or walls moved), some much better than my VDSL, some worse even.  Assuming the phone spark 4g data connection speed will be a decent measure of skinny broadband speeds (yes?), I don't think I'll be doing this.




gml


3085 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 509

Trusted

  Reply # 1441501 6-Dec-2015 20:08
Send private message

deadlyllama:
raytaylor:
coffeebaron:
LivingSkinny:
coffeebaron: Can you run VoIP? CG-NAT or public IP?


Sorry you can't do 'Voice over IP' with Skinny Broadband. But of course you can use apps like Skype or Viber to make and receive calls if you want to.

It is behind CG-NAT.

and if you want to make cheap calls then you could always join Skinny Mobile...



I did mean primarily VoIP through another provider, but with CG-NAT, then I guess the answer is no.


I believe an IAX trunk works behind a general NAT connection- probably CG-NAT too
And you can get no-name brand ATA's that do IAX in addition to SIP


That sounds interesting.  Where can I get no-name IAX ATAs?


I bought some off trademe about 5 years ago.

IAX is a trunking system for asterisk-to-asterisk PBX's
http://blog.2talk.co.nz/iax2.html


I remember the brand I used to use - ATCOM someone was importing and selling them on trademe.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/ATCOM-AG198-1-FXS-port-SIP-IAX2-ATA-w-built-in-lifeline-router/32312867250.html
Stopped using them because I couldnt get the LAN and WAN ports to bridge and I was looking to standardise on an ATA that allowed that at the time. In a home install you would just connect the WAN port to your router and configure it like a standard ATA using the IAX function.





Ray Taylor
Taylor Broadband (rural hawkes bay)
www.ruralkiwi.com

There is no place like localhost
For my general guide to extending your wireless network Click Here




3085 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 509

Trusted

  Reply # 1441577 6-Dec-2015 21:47
Send private message

mdav056: Hmmm, not so fast.  Ran speedtest a number of times on my phone on the 4g connection, and the speeds are all over the place (I don't think buildings or walls moved), some much better than my VDSL, some worse even.  Assuming the phone spark 4g data connection speed will be a decent measure of skinny broadband speeds (yes?), I don't think I'll be doing this.


Its probably your TDMA time slot allocation changing based on the bandwidth your putting through.
If you start transferring data, the controller allocates you more time slots to send and receive the data.
Its seen as a "moderate ramping up" of speed.
If you perform a speed test it will be slow-moderate, instantly perform another one it should be fast. Wait a few seconds and it will be slow again.





Ray Taylor
Taylor Broadband (rural hawkes bay)
www.ruralkiwi.com

There is no place like localhost
For my general guide to extending your wireless network Click Here




163 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 10


  Reply # 1441624 6-Dec-2015 22:57
Send private message

this new skinny plan sounds great but they have scrapped the old data deals they had that my friends were using.
i had better tell them to make sure they are all on auto top up.
even though spark has upgraded our  spark tower to 4G, skinny does not offer its new data plans on any of the address in this towers coverage area. even with 4 bars.
whats with this all the cheap data only on 4G.
4G signal is really flakey compared with a more robust 3G and us rural consumers can often only get decent 3G.
if you can get vodafone all well and good but if you can only get spark, and only a strong 3G signal you are pretty screwed really.
to qualify for any 4G cheap data you have to be in the maximum signal zone.
in our communities case all the strong signal is beamed into the populated areas which have adsl anyway.
the signal for the rest of us who are all at least 20klms away from the end of an adsl line is too weak to be eligible for cheap 4G data plans.
we could all use antennas to boost our signal but  having to do that invalidates our ability to buy  cheap skinny data or spark RBI

831 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 239


  Reply # 1441870 7-Dec-2015 10:48
Send private message

raytaylor:I remember the brand I used to use - ATCOM someone was importing and selling them on trademe.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/ATCOM-AG198-1-FXS-port-SIP-IAX2-ATA-w-built-in-lifeline-router/32312867250.html
Stopped using them because I couldnt get the LAN and WAN ports to bridge and I was looking to standardise on an ATA that allowed that at the time. In a home install you would just connect the WAN port to your router and configure it like a standard ATA using the IAX function.



ATCOM aren't that no-name, they build all of David Rowe's hardware.

I didn't realise 2talk supported IAX.  I last played with Asterisk, er, 10 or so years ago.  I may have to teach myself the new config file format.  And get my "dial up and play colossal cave" app running again.


435 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 135


  Reply # 1451743 16-Dec-2015 17:23
Send private message

If there's a way to circumvent the geo lock, this would make for a great in-car hotspot service.

66 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 6


Reply # 1451858 16-Dec-2015 19:37
One person supports this post
Send private message

I am shown on both Spark's and Vodafone's 4G-700 MHz maps as being in a good coverage area, yet the Skinny address checker tells me "no".  In fact, I have tried various addresses in my area all with good coverage, and they all fail on the address checker.

If they actually want to sell this service to anyone, they seem to be falling at the first hurdle.  It's actually hard to find an address anywhere that passes.  Not impressed.

EDIT: The Spark rural 4G-700 MHz address checker tells me I'm good to go.  So if Skinny are using the same network, it's difficult to understand the discrepancy.

Bill.

259 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 40

Subscriber

  Reply # 1451871 16-Dec-2015 20:19
Send private message

@raytaylor -- thanks for that information, I'll check it out -- but how would this mode of operation translate into pretty standard usage -- like surfing the internet, and in particular, reading and writing data to the cloud? 




gml


39 posts

Geek
+1 received by user: 5


  Reply # 1451940 16-Dec-2015 22:02
Send private message

SiliconAudio: I am shown on both Spark's and Vodafone's 4G-700 MHz maps as being in a good coverage area, yet the Skinny address checker tells me "no".  In fact, I have tried various addresses in my area all with good coverage, and they all fail on the address checker.

If they actually want to sell this service to anyone, they seem to be falling at the first hurdle.  It's actually hard to find an address anywhere that passes.  Not impressed.

EDIT: The Spark rural 4G-700 MHz address checker tells me I'm good to go.  So if Skinny are using the same network, it's difficult to understand the discrepancy.

Bill.


Even though its a prerequisite, Availability isn't determined by 4G access.

The service is designed as a rural broadband option where no copper or fibre services exist. The service can absolutely be used in more populated areas however there is a limited number of these that can go on a single tower. This is taken into consideration in the address search. With over 2000 of these already deployed there is a lot of areas that have hit there quota.

With further infrastructure roll outs, I presume capacity is increasing.



66 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 6


  Reply # 1451985 17-Dec-2015 03:34
Send private message

whitecd:
Even though its a prerequisite, Availability isn't determined by 4G access.

The service is designed as a rural broadband option where no copper or fibre services exist. The service can absolutely be used in more populated areas however there is a limited number of these that can go on a single tower. This is taken into consideration in the address search. With over 2000 of these already deployed there is a lot of areas that have hit there quota.

With further infrastructure roll outs, I presume capacity is increasing.


Oh, there is copper available to me - I'm on ADSL, but I max out at 5 Mbps down and about 500 Kbps up.  I find it pretty unlikely that the local tower is saturated, as I live in a pretty low population-density area.  If the tower is full, it certainly doesn't prevent Spark from offering me 4G, so I just don't buy this story.

267 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 150

Trusted

  Reply # 1452064 17-Dec-2015 08:42
Send private message



The service is designed as a rural broadband option where no copper or fibre services exist. The service can absolutely be used in more populated areas however there is a limited number of these that can go on a single tower. This is taken into consideration in the address search. With over 2000 of these already deployed there is a lot of areas that have hit there quota.




Where did you get the idea this is an RBI targeted service ?  Currently the address checker shows 100 Queen St Auckland is OK but 200 Queen St is not. If 100 Queen St in central Auckland is Rural, well the whole country qualifies as rural I would say.

66 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 6


  Reply # 1452387 17-Dec-2015 16:31
Send private message

So, I got a reply back from Skinny.  They aren't using the 700 MHz spectrum at all:

Unfortunately our Skinny Broadband doesnt use 700MHZ 4G network ( Rural) we use Sparks 4G network HSDPA 850MHZ and UMTS 2100MHZ

6430 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1567


  Reply # 1452388 17-Dec-2015 16:35
Send private message

Worth noting that since skinny broadband doesn't use copper, it should not be affected by the commerce commission and subsequent chorus price increases.

Makes one wonder if spark are go to start doing more stuff like this.

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | ... | 24
Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Vodafone TV — television in the cloud
Posted 17-Oct-2017 19:29


Nokia 8 review: Classy midrange pure Android phone
Posted 16-Oct-2017 07:27


Why carriers might want to embrace Commerce Commission study, MVNOs
Posted 13-Oct-2017 09:42


Fitbit launches Ionic, its health and fitness smartwatch
Posted 12-Oct-2017 15:52


Xero launches machine learning automation to improve coding accuracy for small businesses
Posted 12-Oct-2017 15:45


Bank of New Zealand uses Intel AI to detect financial crime
Posted 12-Oct-2017 15:39


Sony launches Xperia XZ1, a smartphone with real-time 3D capture
Posted 11-Oct-2017 10:26


Notes on Nokia’s phone comeback
Posted 10-Oct-2017 10:06


Air New Zealand begins Inflight Wi-Fi rollout
Posted 9-Oct-2017 20:16


The latest mobile phones in perspective
Posted 9-Oct-2017 18:34


Review: Acronis True Image 2018 — serious backup
Posted 8-Oct-2017 11:22


Lenovo launches ThinkPad Anniversary Edition 25
Posted 7-Oct-2017 23:16


Less fone, more tech as Vodafone gets brand make-over
Posted 6-Oct-2017 08:16


API Talent Achieves AWS MSP Partner Status
Posted 5-Oct-2017 21:20


Stellar Consulting Group now a Domo Partner
Posted 5-Oct-2017 21:03



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.