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  Reply # 622049 9-May-2012 08:24
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I agree Insane. I'm more concerned with the speed of the connections for my normal usage because at that price point it is worth switching over for me..

The netflix hulu and whatever else is out there is nice and all but not a make or break part of the offering..

You will find most people would be in the same boat & do not care at all about the whole Netflix part.... & since you are not in a fixed contract if said access is removed and you are angry then change back to your previous isp..

How did you get on with the speed tests??

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  Reply # 622053 9-May-2012 08:40
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Tabuti: I agree Insane. I'm more concerned with the speed of the connections for my normal usage because at that price point it is worth switching over for me..

The netflix hulu and whatever else is out there is nice and all but not a make or break part of the offering..

You will find most people would be in the same boat & do not care at all about the whole Netflix part.... & since you are not in a fixed contract if said access is removed and you are angry then change back to your previous isp..

How did you get on with the speed tests??



Oh, when I tested yesterday evening I was getting 12mbps nationally and just under 5 to the US east coast. Was able to stream two 720p sports matches at the same time so seems more than fast enough.


StarBlazer:
Behodar: It is a great price, especially for someone like me that can use 30 GB in one month and 100 the next. Moving over from TelstraClear, I expect to save quite a bit :)
 
Sorry to bump my previous question (it's all about me!) - but does Fyx provide this service if my phone provider is Telstra Clear cable?


If it's cable, as in coax-cable like they have in Wellington and parts of Christchurch then probably not. Anywhere you can get Telecom broadband you'd be able to get this.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 622054 9-May-2012 08:40
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StarBlazer:
Behodar: It is a great price, especially for someone like me that can use 30 GB in one month and 100 the next. Moving over from TelstraClear, I expect to save quite a bit :)

Sorry to bump my previous question (it's all about me!) - but does Fyx provide this service if my phone provider is Telstra Clear cable?

I don't know; my phone is through TelstraClear but I'm not on the cable network.

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  Reply # 622057 9-May-2012 08:46
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I asked them via their support desk thingy (so if I get a response from them there before here I'll post it for others) but does anyone know if they can provision their DSL over a currently internet-less LLU line? They say "any phone line from any provider" but I'm guessing that only applies to UBA lines, not necessarily LLU- though if the LLU isn't currently piped back to a DSLAM I can't see why my provider would care. If not, I guess I could always get them to connect the third cable pair running to my house :p

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  Reply # 622067 9-May-2012 09:09
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Behodar:
StarBlazer:
Behodar: It is a great price, especially for someone like me that can use 30 GB in one month and 100 the next. Moving over from TelstraClear, I expect to save quite a bit :)

Sorry to bump my previous question (it's all about me!) - but does Fyx provide this service if my phone provider is Telstra Clear cable?

I don't know; my phone is through TelstraClear but I'm not on the cable network.


You should probably check with telstra clear on this. They dont have to supply you a phone line if you have your broadband with someone else, and i would say thats the case. The way you uised to be able to have a phoneline with one provider and broadband with another is because they would have both been wholesaling the telecom equipment in the local exchange.

But Telstra clear run their own phone system and dslams in many areas of the country and dont necessarily have to wholesale it - though they do offer it, i dont know if maxnet uses them.

If you need to, you could just use the spare pair coming into your house and run the naked dsl option over it.




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  Reply # 622068 9-May-2012 09:10
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With an answer pending I would say no to that Cable phone question as it's not a standard phone line which is broadband capable. This doen't mean you don't have a BB capable line into your house still and either way i'm sure for a price of a new line any provider will connect you.


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  Reply # 622071 9-May-2012 09:17
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Looks really interesting, both the charging model and the IP addressing. But as a TCL cable Internet customer and phone customer, it isn't that straighforward to switch to them since I am not sure I have any copper going to the home that is not TCL's wiring.  At best the installation is going to be expensive I would imagine.




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  Reply # 622072 9-May-2012 09:20
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kyhwana2:
freitasm:
Beccara: As it's been stated the DIA filter is no just kiddie porn anymore...


Citation needed. I follow the DIA reports and haven't seen anything about this.




CG images (In this case Hentai) are on the list: http://fyi.org.nz/request/questions_about_dia_internet_fil

CG child pron/lolicon is still child porn, and its viewers should be rounded up and jailed the same as any other viewer of kiddie porn. Or better yet shot.




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  Reply # 622088 9-May-2012 09:50
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Lias:
kyhwana2:
freitasm:
Beccara: As it's been stated the DIA filter is no just kiddie porn anymore...


Citation needed. I follow the DIA reports and haven't seen anything about this.




CG images (In this case Hentai) are on the list: http://fyi.org.nz/request/questions_about_dia_internet_fil

CG child pron/lolicon is still child porn, and its viewers should be rounded up and jailed the same as any other viewer of kiddie porn. Or better yet shot.


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I remember reading about this case - Just because it drawn doesn't make it legal.  Okay, this is the US of A - but the message is clear to everyone!
http://classic.tcj.com/news/sean-michael-robinson-criminal-contexts-the-simpsons-child-pornography-case-and-its-implications/




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  Reply # 622091 9-May-2012 09:54
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lchiu7: Looks really interesting, both the charging model and the IP addressing. But as a TCL cable Internet customer and phone customer, it isn't that straighforward to switch to them since I am not sure I have any copper going to the home that is not TCL's wiring.  At best the installation is going to be expensive I would imagine.


Anyway - back on topic.

Looks like I will have to call TCL and Fyx - however reading their FAQs;

I have a phone bundled with my broadband from a different provider.  Can I use FYX?
Yes, of course! Every phone provider out there will allow you to keep your phone line with them and move your broadband to us. 

Although technically true, the phoneline TCL provide is not delivered over copper and so I will probably have to either drop all of TCL service and go naked! I do have copper lines to the house - probably not been used for a decade (previous owners had TCL) so no idea of their quality.  For me to jump ship it would be a long drop into the water and could hurt.




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  Reply # 622096 9-May-2012 10:00
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If you have a old phone lying around you could see if there's anything going into those old copper lines but I would think you'd need provisioning which should be around the $70 mark and this would be the case for naked too as that would be going over the copper lines.

Telstra should allow you to keep you phone line but it may simply cost you a little more since you would not be bundling services (unless you have TV).

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  Reply # 622100 9-May-2012 10:12
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jtbthatsme: If you have a old phone lying around you could see if there's anything going into those old copper lines but I would think you'd need provisioning which should be around the $70 mark and this would be the case for naked too as that would be going over the copper lines.

Telstra should allow you to keep you phone line but it may simply cost you a little more since you would not be bundling services (unless you have TV).

It's probably going to end up in the too hard basket (partly because I'm lazy). I have thought of ditching the landline at some point and going VOIP, but this would be a complete change;
  • phone number,
  • email address,
  • moving internet from very reliable and fast cable to an unknown with no track record of quality,
  • cost of provisioning the copper,
  • cost of an ATA (?) to use the existing phone equipment with rental of a phone number or
  • phone line rental from another provider if I don't VOIP
  • and most importantly - buy in from she who wears the trousers!

Looks like I may have to watch this ship sail into the sunset for now!




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  Reply # 622116 9-May-2012 10:51
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Chris Keall at NBR as updated his article with a legal view from Chapman Tripp on the geographical 'unblocking'.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/new-isp-offers-pay-you-go-surfing-access-geo-blocked-sites-netflix-ck-118272

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  Reply # 622136 9-May-2012 11:48
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raytaylor: Clarification on VPN's and how content providers know where you are-

There are companies such as MaxMind who have big databases of ip addresses and they use various methods to figure out where your IP address is. Usually an ISP will tell them where the IP address is located.
There is nothing illegal with an ISP saying "Oh ip addresses xxx to yyy are located in New York" even though they issue them in New Zealand.

With regard to APNIC who issue ip addresses to ISP's in Australiasia, they are only concerned about where the ISP's head office is located. They dont care where the ISP actually uses the ip address.

Then hulu or the BBC iplayer or speedtest.net people go and pay companies such as Maxmind to provide them with access to their database, knowing that its not exact, and its on a best effort service only.

So Fyx have nothing to do with hulu or the BBC. If my theory is correct, all they are doing is telling a bunch of dumb middlemen that you are located in the USA or britian and not in NZ.

Otherwise they will be routing you via a big fat VPN to a server in the USA and london where traffic to certain websites then gets routed back out onto the internet. If thats the case then they will be natting or routing you based on the websites you are visiting and that could be a little dangerous because what they are doing would suddenly become active, and they are nolonger a passive connection.

And if content providers choose to use IP address as way of working out where you are, that's their problem. Its as bad as assuming I'm a texting a Vodafone mobile because it starts with 021. I haven't heard of any laws that say you must use an IP address locked to where you are when you surf the net?




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  Reply # 622142 9-May-2012 12:01
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I dont think there is any illegal actually going on here but stupid is plentful. How is fyx going to respond to clients who signed up to their service based on this global mode to access content and that content goes away when the content providers start blocking?

I imagine there are some talks going on at quickflix right now about how to handle this, They aren't going to be too happy that an ISP is offering a service like this




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