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Topic # 124661 15-Jul-2013 13:57
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I have decided and hopefully my partner gives the OK that I would like to build a new garage next year as our current single garage is way to small and I want a double garage with space for my tools and power tools. 

What I am wanting to know is does anyone have any experience with the likes of Skyline building, Versatile and total span? I am wanting a easy and cost effective replacement.

The other option is the find a builder to do it for me.




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  Reply # 855854 15-Jul-2013 14:00
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You might find the garage specialists might want you to just demolish your exisiting and rebuild from scratch.
They take care of all the paper work council wise (prolly better than some builders).

Just my two cents.

Would you think yad get resource consent for this extentsion? Anything obvious hindering the expansion?

Edit: when I rang around for a friend to get their carport enclosed and fitted with a door.. the repsonse from the garage guys were 'find a builder' we only do kitset from scratch. 

To that point, they might be able to demolish the current garage and utilise the exisiting foundation somehow for a new kitset. 



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  Reply # 855891 15-Jul-2013 14:58
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Was some years ago (15?) now but when I looked at getting a garage attached to the house, of the shed builders (Skyline, Vantage, etc) only Skyline was interested in anything other than kitset assembly. They had a builder on staff who did the more complicated (not kitset) builds. The frames were still pre-made offsite but othewise it was three sides attached to the side of the house and a roof and doors put on.

A builder will be happier to build what you want but you may find you need to do more of the other work for the planning permission, consents etc. Depends on the builder though I guess. Some will do end to end for you.




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  Reply # 855907 15-Jul-2013 15:17
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Just went through the same process and are getting total span to build ours. All the kit set garages come out at a similar cost.

We went with Total Span as their garages felt stronger, and Versatile say you cannot store stuff in the rafters. therefore since the rafters cannot be used for storage, you might as well not have them and have the higher head space like the total span. Also Versatile here in CHCH wanted to charge an extra $2k for scaffolding while putting the roof on, while total span included in the total cost. We are building a 7x9m garage with 4.5m tilt door and on Personal access door for about $25k excluding power and storm water (we will get done seperatly)

We did our own demolition, it was a 9m³ ($380) skip for general waste and a couple of 3m³ ($210 each) Hardfill and $200 for a digger with a concrete breaker on it. All up demolition by doing it ourselves cost less than $1500

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  Reply # 856225 16-Jul-2013 07:44
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YadaMe: Just went through the same process and are getting total span to build ours. All the kit set garages come out at a similar cost.

We went with Total Span as their garages felt stronger, and Versatile say you cannot store stuff in the rafters. therefore since the rafters cannot be used for storage, you might as well not have them and have the higher head space like the total span. Also Versatile here in CHCH wanted to charge an extra $2k for scaffolding while putting the roof on, while total span included in the total cost. We are building a 7x9m garage with 4.5m tilt door and on Personal access door for about $25k excluding power and storm water (we will get done seperatly)

We did our own demolition, it was a 9m³ ($380) skip for general waste and a couple of 3m³ ($210 each) Hardfill and $200 for a digger with a concrete breaker on it. All up demolition by doing it ourselves cost less than $1500



Thanks YadaMe, that info was really helpful, did the price include the cost of the foundation?. I agree about the rafters, waste of time if you can't use them. To the earlier replies I forgot to mention I will be removing the existing garage and building a new one further back from the road.




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  Reply # 856249 16-Jul-2013 09:05
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Yes includes concrete foundation (Bobcat work, base corse etc), didn't include council consent (~$1000 here in CHCH). Basically they will take it from flat dirt to garage. You will end up with a pile of dirt as well.

Sound like you are doing exactly what we did. There was 10m behind out old garage, so we cut 1m of the old foundation (concrete saw are easy to use ~$45 for a half day) and are using the old foundation as the drive for the new garage until we can afford to do something else. We have left 2m behind the new garage so in the future we can put water collection tanks in for the garden.

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  Reply # 856325 16-Jul-2013 11:29
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I too am planning a garage, but am thinking of hiring a builder. Unless I am missing something, I can't see how someone gets 20k for a build price given the materials involved.





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  Reply # 856328 16-Jul-2013 11:34
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BTR: Hi Everyone


I have decided and hopefully my partner gives the OK that I would like to build a new garage next year as our current single garage is way to small and I want a double garage with space for my tools and power tools. 

What I am wanting to know is does anyone have any experience with the likes of Skyline building, Versatile and total span? I am wanting a easy and cost effective replacement.

The other option is the find a builder to do it for me.


Been through this.. Still saving up to go with Versatile.. :)

A Builder:  Cannot build a garage for any less than one of the existing firms.  It could cost a lot more having a builder do it.

Skyline:  Very expensive.  We were quoted $40k for a double garage with an office (9mx6m).
Versatile: We are saving to go with these guys.  Quoted $33k for a 9mx6m double garage with office.
Quinns: Slightly cheaper than Skyline.. cheaper looking.. Just over $30k

Didn't go any further with TotalSpan as they seemed more keen on industrial garages..

Our plans were for full building/drainage and electrical (no driveway).  Office would not be lined (would do that myself).

Our existing wooden (bora ridden) 1960s single garage to be demolished completely (including Concrete slab)

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  Reply # 857413 16-Jul-2013 13:57
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BTR: Hi Everyone


I have decided and hopefully my partner gives the OK that I would like to build a new garage next year as our current single garage is way to small and I want a double garage with space for my tools and power tools. 

What I am wanting to know is does anyone have any experience with the likes of Skyline building, Versatile and total span? I am wanting a easy and cost effective replacement.

The other option is the find a builder to do it for me.




A Builder:  Cannot build a garage for any less than one of the existing firms.  It could cost a lot more having a builder do it.


Hope this helps.


How did you arrive at this.  One would assume that after the concrete base is poured,  the next stage would be standard frame and truss which I would assume comes mostly pre-assembled from the factory.  Apart from roof, cladding and flashing is there much else for a builder to do?





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  Reply # 857459 16-Jul-2013 15:26
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I asked a couple of builders to quote for them to build from ground up. They declined and said they couldn't build it any cheaper than what I had been quoted.





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  Reply # 858355 17-Jul-2013 21:49
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The reason why those garage companies can do it cheaper than a builder. Is because they don't use the same standards as what builders use. They have gotten a engineer to design and certify a range of standard designs. This means not as much materials needed and more work is able to be done in a factory. They are fine as they are. But this means that they will be hard to modify / add onto in the future. And is why they are only interested in building one of their standard designs.

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  Reply # 858357 17-Jul-2013 21:54
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Aredwood: The reason why those garage companies can do it cheaper than a builder. Is because they don't use the same standards as what builders use. They have gotten a engineer to design and certify a range of standard designs. This means not as much materials needed and more work is able to be done in a factory. They are fine as they are. But this means that they will be hard to modify / add onto in the future. And is why they are only interested in building one of their standard designs.


Yes. Conventionally you would build the frame in 90mm wide framing, to NZS3604. But some of these cheap kitset garages I have seen have 45mm wide framing, which would reduce costs. BUt these garages would unlikely be able to be adapted for other uses, such as a sleepout, at a later date.

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  Reply # 858567 18-Jul-2013 12:18
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It was my understanding that one just ordered pre-built frame and trusses from the appropriate framing company and the builder simply assembled them. So I am still a little perplexed in how a builder comes out costing more - only difference I can think of is perhaps the hourly rate.




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  Reply # 858575 18-Jul-2013 12:30
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I will reply with who built our shed, but they were very late and didn't communicate very well, it was one of the ones you mentioned but I will double check before giving a bad review!

One piece of advise is, we had the site levelled ourselves and saved thousands.

They seemed to clip the ticket heavily on the contractor they used for this, a multi-thousand dollar job became less that $1,000 by finding a contractor to do this.

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  Reply # 864024 23-Jul-2013 07:48
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Have had a rough quote from Versatile of around $27,000 for a 7.8 x 7.8 with a 2.7 stud height. Hopefully meeting with this onsite this week to get a firmer figure.

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  Reply # 864194 23-Jul-2013 12:21
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Is that for just a bare box, eg, no lining?




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