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  # 972621 23-Jan-2014 09:06
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Given how inexpensive new sheds are I think any legal action would be a waste and would probably cost considerably more.




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  # 972625 23-Jan-2014 09:17
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Do you have to seal the outside, or is it possible to achieve the same result by sealing the inside of the wall.




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  # 972627 23-Jan-2014 09:18
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Thanks SXZ, that's useful. I read the property act 2007 this morning, I'd rather not get a court order, that's not the way to make friendly neighbors, but good to know it's possible.

I've been put onto a product called "Sto Protect", which is a clear silicone coating that will apparently do the job. It's around $280 direct from them in a 15L pail, and anyone can apply it. I'm going to suggest that if he wants the mural protected he can pay for the product and the time of the painter to apply it, or alternately I'll pay to have it properly wateproofed. There will be a caveat that if it leaks after applying this product I'll have to have it done properly.

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  # 972644 23-Jan-2014 09:43
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timmmay: Thanks SXZ, that's useful. I read the property act 2007 this morning, I'd rather not get a court order, that's not the way to make friendly neighbors, but good to know it's possible.

I've been put onto a product called "Sto Protect", which is a clear silicone coating that will apparently do the job. It's around $280 direct from them in a 15L pail, and anyone can apply it. I'm going to suggest that if he wants the mural protected he can pay for the product and the time of the painter to apply it, or alternately I'll pay to have it properly wateproofed. There will be a caveat that if it leaks after applying this product I'll have to have it done properly.


Sounds like a good way to go. I'd hazard a guess that his mural (unless by someone famous/dead) will not be worth him spending any money on saving.
You should politely let him know that you need the shed waterproofed, and that you are trying to accommodate him, but that a court order is an (albeit last) option.



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  # 972647 23-Jan-2014 09:47
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The mural cost him $750. We've come to an agreement that I can enter his property to put on the clear waterproofing layer, which is ideal all round. If it still leaks he'll be open to me having the painters go back in and remove the mural.

I've only been involved with very small amount of legal stuff, and in general it seems only the lawyers win. I'd go a long way out of my way to avoid it.

Thanks for the help and advice everyone :)

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  # 972654 23-Jan-2014 09:52
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Just a quick note. Most deep-penetrating ( as opposed to surface membranes/film silicones ) intended for water barriers require the concrete to be clean and very dry, as the silicone is dissolved in a very thin solvent ( or used neat - but that has safety issues ) to penetrate and react with residual water on the stone or slowly with air moisture. They will work well from the outside, but are far less effective from the inside. If the wall has steel reinforcing through the blocks, then external water will cause corrosion/metal expansion/cracking.

I highly recommend protecting from outside in. It's possible there are heavy water-repellent translucent films that could be applied based on silicones or fluoropolymers ( expensive ). You need to talk to specialist firms, as paint companies are unlikely to know much. Another alternative is clear, rigid, UV-resistant, plastic sheets bolted to wall.

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  # 972662 23-Jan-2014 10:11
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BruceHamilton: Just a quick note. Most deep-penetrating ( as opposed to surface membranes/film silicones ) intended for water barriers require the concrete to be clean and very dry, as the silicone is dissolved in a very thin solvent ( or used neat - but that has safety issues ) to penetrate and react with residual water on the stone or slowly with air moisture. They will work well from the outside, but are far less effective from the inside. If the wall has steel reinforcing through the blocks, then external water will cause corrosion/metal expansion/cracking.

I highly recommend protecting from outside in. It's possible there are heavy water-repellent translucent films that could be applied based on silicones or fluoropolymers ( expensive ). You need to talk to specialist firms, as paint companies are unlikely to know much. Another alternative is clear, rigid, UV-resistant, plastic sheets bolted to wall.


Timmays first product he mentioned was as you say, requires direct application to concrete, removing any paint, etc, but the second was a protector that goes over the top. I did see that its not waterproof (cannot be used on horizontal surfaces) but that it allows run off, so hopefully it will be fine. 

 
 
 
 


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  # 972704 23-Jan-2014 11:16
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tdgeek: 

Timmays first product he mentioned was as you say, requires direct application to concrete, removing any paint, etc, but the second was a protector that goes over the top. I did see that its not waterproof (cannot be used on horizontal surfaces) but that it allows run off, so hopefully it will be fine. 


That's cool. I assume the chosen product can be directly applied over normal paint.  Many reactive silicone waterproofing compounds dissolve normal paints ( and thus compromise the silicone coating ), so finding one that fully waterproofs for many years and doesn't need expensive barrier coats would be very lucky.



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  # 972718 23-Jan-2014 11:50
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The manufacturer told me it was fine, though I may run the data sheet past the neighbor just to be safe.

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timmmay: The manufacturer told me it was fine, though I may run the data sheet past the neighbor just to be safe.


Might I suggest to take a hi res photo ? The owner won't own the property forever, the mural will degrade, as a goodwill gesture?



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  # 972878 23-Jan-2014 14:28
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Yeah might as well.

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timmmay: Yeah might as well.


Do you know a pro photographer? :)

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  # 973565 24-Jan-2014 14:19
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trig42: Tell him either you fix it, or it comes down? Both ways he loses the mural painted on YOUR shed.



You've got to be careful there. If a consented shed / garage is on the boundary and you take it down, you might have trouble getting permission to build in the same spot.

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  # 973568 24-Jan-2014 14:22
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Silly me - should have read the rest of the thread before posting that.



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  # 973570 24-Jan-2014 14:23
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You couldn't build on the same spot, you have to be a meter from the boundary these days.

I did consider just spinning all the bricks around, so the outside is now the inside... ;)

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