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itxtme
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  #1008431 18-Mar-2014 21:19
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Are they shipping these yet? Or still waiting on release?

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  #1008432 18-Mar-2014 21:20
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itxtme: Are they shipping these yet? Or still waiting on release?


Still waiting.

sdav
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  #1008473 18-Mar-2014 21:52

blakamin:
itxtme: Are they shipping these yet? Or still waiting on release?


Still waiting.


Did they give you an ETA?



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  #1008478 18-Mar-2014 21:54
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I look forward to the first security vulnerabilities found in these, guarantee at least one of the names mentioned here will do their crypto wrong and leave them susceptible to replay attacks or allow someone to impersonate the lock while in range of a persons phone then use that to unlock the real lock, or allow lost devices in flight mode to access the locks still

Very simple crypto really but I'm sure one of them will decide to invent their own protocol instead and get it all wrong

Of course, there will always still be easier ways to break into a house, but none that would leave as little evidence

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  #1008488 18-Mar-2014 22:02
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sdav:
blakamin:
itxtme: Are they shipping these yet? Or still waiting on release?


Still waiting.


Did they give you an ETA?


Got an email saying "later this year" which is no surprise considering it was due this month. :-/
At least they don't charge until it's shipped, unlike kickstarter.

jnimmo: Of course, there will always still be easier ways to break into a house, but none that would leave as little evidence

They are doing the crypto to some standards... but I can't imagine your general burglar, who normally does a burg for drug money, spending that much time running around looking for smart locks when a brick through the back window of any house is that much quicker. 

And, after saying that, this is another reason I went for the August, as it doesn't advertise that it is a smart lock at all from the outside.

sdav
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  #1008871 19-Mar-2014 11:41

jnimmo: I look forward to the first security vulnerabilities found in these, guarantee at least one of the names mentioned here will do their crypto wrong and leave them susceptible to replay attacks or allow someone to impersonate the lock while in range of a persons phone then use that to unlock the real lock, or allow lost devices in flight mode to access the locks still

Very simple crypto really but I'm sure one of them will decide to invent their own protocol instead and get it all wrong

Of course, there will always still be easier ways to break into a house, but none that would leave as little evidence


I would laugh so hard if someone went to the trouble to break in exploiting that vulnerability! Sometimes people overthink things. A door will not be more or less secure with these on them because I have never come across a burglar who uses or cuts a key (which would still make this lock insecure anyway!)... They kick the door in or exploit the true weakness, the doorframe/lock materials, the window right next door to the door handle etc... You have to see it for what it is, connivence of opening the door, it's a gadget. The other advantage with these is that from the outside they look like a standard lock, no one would know.

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  #1008875 19-Mar-2014 11:46

blakamin:

Got an email saying "later this year" which is no surprise considering it was due this month. :-/
At least they don't charge until it's shipped, unlike kickstarter.


Ahh well, I don't mind waiting! As long as it's not December!



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  #1008884 19-Mar-2014 12:01
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This is a tech forum so it's not surprising that it gets over-thought. I don't think that any of these smart locks will be used to protect any premise that really matters (ie. Biological storage or other such nasty places).

If someone really is going to break in then a window is a good starting point. I think it's very telling that most of the locks I've seen are single cylinder only so it makes the idea of break the window then open the door even more likely. I don't think I've ever heard of a window being exploited though.

To me the use case for a smart lock is more around convenience. You walk up to your door and it unlocks. Very Star Trek. As a bonus you can grant other people temporary or permanent access too without seeing a locksmith.


sdav
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  #1008908 19-Mar-2014 12:17

Klathman: 

To me the use case for a smart lock is more around convenience. You walk up to your door and it unlocks. Very Star Trek. As a bonus you can grant other people temporary or permanent access too without seeing a locksmith.



Yeah that's purely my rational too.

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  #1230936 4-Feb-2015 09:04
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Did you end up getting one of these? I'm looking at getting one shortly so I'm interested to hear what it's like?

I was planning on getting a friend of mine to pick one up for me from an Apple store while he's in LA but I'm not sure if they sell the connect module in the Apple stores?

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  #1231315 4-Feb-2015 18:48
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I cancelled my order in December... It still hadn't shipped by then.

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  #1231395 4-Feb-2015 22:00
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I've had the August Smart Lock since the 10th of December and its great! I have only had it not work once and I got trapped outside for a bit as I stopped carrying my key but pulling out the battery seemed to fix the issue and it hasn't happened since. Everlock is another feature I am having a little trouble with as it doesn't seem to automatically lock all the time when you unlock the door manually either with the key or turning it. As for auto-unlock I have only had the feature for the last 2 days and its worked both times I've tried.

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  #1231398 4-Feb-2015 22:08
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jnimmo: I look forward to the first security vulnerabilities found in these


Well looking at the unit I'd just bash a hammer down hard and swipe it out of the door .. who needs cryptographic skills when it stick so far out!

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  #1231399 4-Feb-2015 22:10
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Mark:
jnimmo: I look forward to the first security vulnerabilities found in these


Well looking at the unit I'd just bash a hammer down hard and swipe it out of the door .. who needs cryptographic skills when it stick so far out!



For a start, you'd have to be on the inside.

And then you could just turn it and unlock the door....

Mark
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  #1231412 4-Feb-2015 22:22
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blakamin:
Mark:
jnimmo: I look forward to the first security vulnerabilities found in these


Well looking at the unit I'd just bash a hammer down hard and swipe it out of the door .. who needs cryptographic skills when it stick so far out!



For a start, you'd have to be on the inside.

And then you could just turn it and unlock the door....


Ha!  Shows how hard I looked at it :-)

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