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Topic # 143253 8-Apr-2014 12:34
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I am well into my kitchen reno, had the sparky around today, and wanted a power supply for the rangehood installed so that is hidden.  He said they normally aren't and are just on the wall.

He pre-wired for a socket next to the rangehood, and I am not happy with this, as it will be very ugly.  Now is the time to make a change, before I gib tommorow.  What is the best option?  

I was thinking a power socket that is behind the canopy with the power switch attached to the socket it is chained off of using something like this two socket, three switches unit 

I will need to call and discuss with him tonight or tommorow before I gib.

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  Reply # 1020557 8-Apr-2014 12:38
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We have the standard power socket, but this whole unit is placed in the chute cover, so it's hidden away - so it is always "on".




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  Reply # 1020559 8-Apr-2014 12:41
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I am happy with this solution, I guess the only disadvantage is not being able to isolate it without removing the cover - this probably is the easiest option though!

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1020560 8-Apr-2014 12:42
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Why can't they wire in a seperate switch on the wall?  I should think that's pretty much a necessity.

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  Reply # 1020565 8-Apr-2014 12:43
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I thought they had to be accessible?

When we did our reno 3 years ago, I wanted the power point in the stainless chute, and the sparky would not do it.

It is OK, because it is next to the chute, and cannot be seen unless you are against the wall in the corner of the kitchen.

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  Reply # 1020568 8-Apr-2014 12:46
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trig42: I thought they had to be accessible?

When we did our reno 3 years ago, I wanted the power point in the stainless chute, and the sparky would not do it.

It is OK, because it is next to the chute, and cannot be seen unless you are against the wall in the corner of the kitchen.


*shrugs* We did our reno about 3 years ago as well, and it was fine by the electrician - he signed the work off.




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  Reply # 1020581 8-Apr-2014 12:58
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trig42: I thought they had to be accessible?

When we did our reno 3 years ago, I wanted the power point in the stainless chute, and the sparky would not do it.

It is OK, because it is next to the chute, and cannot be seen unless you are against the wall in the corner of the kitchen.


Any chance you could share a pic of this when you get home tonight?

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  Reply # 1020709 8-Apr-2014 14:57
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I *think* legally you have to be able to isolate it - i.e. switch it off.  A separate switch down below should be fine.




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  Reply # 1020714 8-Apr-2014 15:06
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At the moment its daisy chained from socket to socket

-> Socket 1 -> Socket 2 -> Rangehood socket

Now with the new layout you would go

-> Socket 1 -> Socket 2 -> Switch -> Rangehood socket

Would this even work?  This is the same layout as the oven, minus the two pre sockets and it works, however when you have 2 power sockets before it would it still work And would the PDL 692x work with this as the power source and the extra switch?

PS - I am not doing this work, the sparky is, but I want clarity before going back to him based on his previous solution I am unhappy with



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  Reply # 1020744 8-Apr-2014 15:55
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When you daisy-chain wall-sockets, they're in parallel, so it would work.

Daisy chaining from your oven to your rangehood would be potentially unsafe, because the fuse for the oven (30A?) would be all that was protecting the 10A? wiring to the rangehood.

FWIW, last year we put in a rangehood, and the sparky suggested putting the socket for it in the ceiling. Cord then goes down inside the shroud... looks neat and tidy, and the switch is out of sight.

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  Reply # 1020758 8-Apr-2014 16:21
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Mines on a dome plug in the roof space. Cable runs up beside the duct behind the shroud. Not sure if its still legal but its really hidden away up there:) 



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  Reply # 1020761 8-Apr-2014 16:29
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Daisy chaining from your oven to your rangehood would be potentially unsafe, because the fuse for the oven (30A?) would be all that was protecting the 10A? wiring to the rangehood.


Sorry, was just referring to how the switch is attached to the oven, not wanting to attach the rangehood to this.

Mines on a dome plug in the roof space. Cable runs up beside the duct behind the shroud. Not sure if its still legal but its really hidden away up there:)
 
Thats what I asked for and he said no, but I have other items that are cabled like this, ie. DVS so I cant see why it would be problem.

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  Reply # 1020776 8-Apr-2014 16:39
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They would normally use an un-switched outlet (part code is PDL693/2 which is a PDL horizontal unswitched socket) behind the range hood. Then you just have a standard switch mech (PDL681) installed in to a wall plate in a more desirable location than up high beside a range hood. Sparky is either a numpty or just a little lazy.

Edit:If you want a switch labelled "hood" the mech is part number 681M20HD

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Reply # 1020778 8-Apr-2014 16:48
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This is just a lazy sparky. I would normally put a switch for rangehood/oven at bench height if wanted, so both can be isolated in the event of anything bad happening. But most people like the switches hidden away in the pantry.

A month later you normally get a call saying our oven doesn't work and the spaghetti can has hit the oven switch lol.

An Oven has to be isolated but I can't find the exact info. Pretty sure a rangehood is classed as a fan and I don't think they need to have a switch accessible.

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Distorter: This is just a lazy sparky. I would normally put a switch for rangehood/oven at bench height if wanted, so both can be isolated in the event of anything bad happening. But most people like the switches hidden away in the pantry.

A month later you normally get a call saying our oven doesn't work and the spaghetti can has hit the oven switch lol.

An Oven has to be isolated but I can't find the exact info. Pretty sure a rangehood is classed as a fan and I don't think they need to have a switch accessible.


Technically the range hood is an appliance, it has a 3 pin plug on it, if you place the 3 pin plug in a position that means it normally be accessed (under the cover for the exhaust duct for example) then there must be another isolation point somewhere else, either a socket outlet with an extra switch (shown in a previous post in this thread) or a light switch style switch somewhere else.

Another good example is a dish washer, usually the plug for it is behind the dishwasher and there is a switch somewhere else for it.





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  Reply # 1020799 8-Apr-2014 17:38
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Thanks for the info, for clarification would the following switch work for it?  I will order one for him to use next week if so.

-> Socket 1 -> Socket 2 (PDL 692X) -> Rangehood socket (PDL693/2)


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