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  Reply # 1068514 18-Jun-2014 14:48
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Disrespective:
MikeAqua: Here is an example of why building consents peeve people off.  We were  recently quoted $2,000 for some reasonably simple work on our house to address a roof leak.  The council's estimate of consent fees was >$1,500.  ie at least 75% of the repair work.  And also add in a 2 - 3 week delay.


Wow, that is a high quote. Typically consent fees are based on the cost of the work. Looking at the Wellington city council fees for a category one building (basic),  


And there you have identified one of the biggest issues with building consents, each council makes up its own interpretation of the building code and charges accordingly,

A fgood example is the spa pool debacle of a few years ago, where some councils would permit a locakable cover as a means of keeping kids out, while others would not and insisted on a 1.2m fence with safety gate around them....

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  Reply # 1068541 18-Jun-2014 15:15
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Disrespective:
MikeAqua: Here is an example of why building consents peeve people off.  We were  recently quoted $2,000 for some reasonably simple work on our house to address a roof leak.  The council's estimate of consent fees was >$1,500.  ie at least 75% of the repair work.  And also add in a 2 - 3 week delay.


Wow, that is a high quote. Typically consent fees are based on the cost of the work. Looking at the Wellington city council fees for a category one building (basic)
It's worth noting that there are exemptions for work that should not require a building consent. If it is just a small leak then you wouldn't need a BC as it would fall under repairs. Anyway, we're getting off topic. Reddit has a large community of Tiny Home/House people. See www.reddit.com/r/tinyhouses

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  Reply # 1068835 18-Jun-2014 20:12
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Home magazines 2104 home of the year

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  Reply # 1069124 19-Jun-2014 11:15
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wellygary:
Disrespective:
MikeAqua: Here is an example of why building consents peeve people off.  We were  recently quoted $2,000 for some reasonably simple work on our house to address a roof leak.  The council's estimate of consent fees was >$1,500.  ie at least 75% of the repair work.  And also add in a 2 - 3 week delay.


Wow, that is a high quote. Typically consent fees are based on the cost of the work. Looking at the Wellington city council fees for a category one building (basic),  


And there you have identified one of the biggest issues with building consents, each council makes up its own interpretation of the building code and charges accordingly,

A fgood example is the spa pool debacle of a few years ago, where some councils would permit a locakable cover as a means of keeping kids out, while others would not and insisted on a 1.2m fence with safety gate around them....


Of course we are ....  it's the off topic thread.  Yes you are correct I did eventually just repair the leak without a BC.  But it's an imperfect repair, and the $2,0000 option would have been a far better solution.

Back on topic I think a Tiny house would be awesome for a weekend hunting block.




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  Reply # 1069176 19-Jun-2014 12:26
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PhantomNVD:
graemeh:
PhantomNVD: Anyone know the rules on having a permanent shed (say below the 10 sq/m 'unconsenting' size) to house all the 'permanent' fixtures (like your power/water/phone/internet linkup right next to a 'tiny house'/caravan + container on an otherwise empty piece of land?

I'd like the option of using this for 3-6 months while building my new house on the 2 acre plot we have already bought, and save on double moving (using a decent spec 20 foot container for storage) and use the rent saved to effectively pay for the 'temporary' sleeping accomodation which would later make a great sleepout/granny flat :)


My parents did something along those lines in Tauranga.

They got a permit for and built a "shed with facilities".  It was basically a one bedroom house/car port but legally it was a shed that had shower, toilet and kitchen.  They lived in it for years and I'm not sure if they ever built a "house" on the site.

This was on a lifestyle block so I don't if the rules are different.


Yep, mine is zoned "Rural" so would be the same... did they not have a 'proper' house there first?


No, it was a piece of land that had been newly subdivided and it had no house.

Their plan was build the shed first and live in that while they built the house.

Dad was a builder so of course the house build was delayed while he did other projects.

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  Reply # 1069351 19-Jun-2014 16:56
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graemeh:
PhantomNVD:
graemeh:
PhantomNVD: Anyone know the rules on having a permanent shed (say below the 10 sq/m 'unconsenting' size) to house all the 'permanent' fixtures (like your power/water/phone/internet linkup right next to a 'tiny house'/caravan + container on an otherwise empty piece of land?

I'd like the option of using this for 3-6 months while building my new house on the 2 acre plot we have already bought, and save on double moving (using a decent spec 20 foot container for storage) and use the rent saved to effectively pay for the 'temporary' sleeping accommodation which would later make a great sleepout/granny flat :)


My parents did something along those lines in Tauranga.

They got a permit for and built a "shed with facilities".  It was basically a one bedroom house/car port but legally it was a shed that had shower, toilet and kitchen.  They lived in it for years and I'm not sure if they ever built a "house" on the site.

This was on a lifestyle block so I don't if the rules are different.


Yep, mine is zoned "Rural" so would be the same... did they not have a 'proper' house there first?


No, it was a piece of land that had been newly subdivided and it had no house.

Their plan was build the shed first and live in that while they built the house.

Dad was a builder so of course the house build was delayed while he did other projects.


thanks for that!

any clues how i get permission for a "shed with facilities" is this a "milking" shed or named something specific perhaps?

Waikato have this for not needing consent btw:

 

Single-storey detached buildings not exceeding 10 square metres in floor area

 

     

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    (1)Building work in connection with any detached building that—

     

       

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      (a)is not more than 1 storey (being a floor level of up to 1 metre above the supporting ground and a height of up to 3.5 metres above the floor level); and

       

       

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      (b)does not exceed 10 square metres in floor area; and

       

       

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      (c)does not contain sanitary facilities or facilities for the storage of potable water; and

       

       

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      (d)does not include sleeping accommodation, unless the building is used in connection with a dwelling and does not contain any cooking facilities.

       

     


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  Reply # 1070767 20-Jun-2014 09:41
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PhantomNVD: thanks for that!

any clues how i get permission for a "shed with facilities" is this a "milking" shed or named something specific perhaps?

Waikato have this for not needing consent btw:
Single-storey detached buildings not exceeding 10 square metres in floor area

 

     

  • (1)Building work in connection with any detached building that—

     

       

    • (a)is not more than 1 storey (being a floor level of up to 1 metre above the supporting ground and a height of up to 3.5 metres above the floor level); and

       

    • (b)does not exceed 10 square metres in floor area; and

       

    • (c)does not contain sanitary facilities or facilities for the storage of potable water; and

       

    • (d)does not include sleeping accommodation, unless the building is used in connection with a dwelling and does not contain any cooking facilities.


I'm clueless about this (some would say that is my normal state).

You could try talking to the council building staff about what you are trying to do.  Some of them can be quite helpful in suggesting options, others can be parrots and just say things like "Legally we have xx days to process your application".

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  Reply # 1070774 20-Jun-2014 09:48
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PhantomNVD:

any clues how i get permission for a "shed with facilities" is this a "milking" shed or named something specific perhaps


No its not a milking shed, go and talk to the council tell them you want to build a small bach with out sleeping a cooking facilites....

Will is be on a reticulated sewer or a septic tank system?

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  Reply # 1070991 20-Jun-2014 13:58
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Disrespective: With a bit of thought, and some luck, I think i’ll be able to build smaller dwellings as the funds allow and then a final stage which links them together properly if required.


This is exactly what I wanted/still want to do... I have grand visions ha! I thought of building a small house first. Then build another small dwelling next for the bathroom and move that stuff in there and convert the house into a kitchen/dining room/bedroom. Then at the next stage build a separate kitchen/dining room dwelling and move that stuff there and then you have a bedroom, kitchen/dining room and bedroom as three separate rooms/dwellings all linked with an enclosed (or not) path...

But the wife said no and that was that haha! Still dream about it though. Would be cool!

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  Reply # 1072098 22-Jun-2014 16:55
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wellygary:
PhantomNVD:

any clues how i get permission for a "shed with facilities" is this a "milking" shed or named something specific perhaps


No its not a milking shed, go and talk to the council tell them you want to build a small bach with out sleeping a cooking facilites....

Will is be on a reticulated sewer or a septic tank system?


will be on an eventual septic tank system... but basically be an intermediate stage to live on the large land area while building the 'proper' house.... so septic would be dealt with via 'camping toilet' just like a campervan does - store and tip later :)

luckily there are several free disposal points within a 20km radius, so I'd no issues with a weekly sewage disposal trip :)

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  Reply # 1072185 22-Jun-2014 19:38
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WRT Council consents for dwellings etc. I don't know if anyone else watched "Country Calender", with the 91 YO Swiss guy called Otto.  He'd built a stone shed / pig-sty years ago on his property in Central Otago, then later upgraded it - and was using it as a holiday house.  Council caught wind of this, and were giving him a hard time insisting that he needed to have consent, and that the building needed to meet the building code.  His reply was that it was still a pig-sty - and if they could show him the by law prohibiting an individual from sleeping in a pig-sty, then he'd do what they said.  He never heard back from them.  Legend.

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  Reply # 1072218 22-Jun-2014 20:20
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Fred99: WRT Council consents for dwellings etc. I don't know if anyone else watched "Country Calender", with the 91 YO Swiss guy called Otto.  He'd built a stone shed / pig-sty years ago on his property in Central Otago, then later upgraded it - and was using it as a holiday house.  Council caught wind of this, and were giving him a hard time insisting that he needed to have consent, and that the building needed to meet the building code.  His reply was that it was still a pig-sty - and if they could show him the by law prohibiting an individual from sleeping in a pig-sty, then he'd do what they said.  He never heard back from them.  Legend.


sounds interesting... closest i could find was:
http://tvnz.co.nz/country-calendar/episode-19-nut-farm-6001139 also an Otto in Otago, must be the one you mentioned, busy watching online now, cheers!

Now to build myself s pigsty to live in? :)

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  Reply # 1072237 22-Jun-2014 21:01
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PhantomNVD:
Fred99: WRT Council consents for dwellings etc. I don't know if anyone else watched "Country Calender", with the 91 YO Swiss guy called Otto.  He'd built a stone shed / pig-sty years ago on his property in Central Otago, then later upgraded it - and was using it as a holiday house.  Council caught wind of this, and were giving him a hard time insisting that he needed to have consent, and that the building needed to meet the building code.  His reply was that it was still a pig-sty - and if they could show him the by law prohibiting an individual from sleeping in a pig-sty, then he'd do what they said.  He never heard back from them.  Legend.


sounds interesting... closest i could find was:
http://tvnz.co.nz/country-calendar/episode-19-nut-farm-6001139 also an Otto in Otago, must be the one you mentioned, busy watching online now, cheers!

Now to build myself s pigsty to live in? :)


That's the one.  What a great character.

This thread for some reasons reminds me of the quotation from Anatole France:

"In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread."


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  Reply # 1072267 22-Jun-2014 23:04
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I can adapt to that.  I spent 6yrs at university livingin a halls of residence and 1yr at a home stay.

When I travel I prefer hostels my own room without shower as the costs are down and I can manage it, usually out all day anyway.  So I don't need hotels and resorts or inhouse restaurant etc. 

I have some family in HKG and until the kids got married and moved out, they were living in bunk beds, the main door immediately is the lounge (converted to dining room) at times by pulling the table out.  2 seater sofa and the TV.  Plenty of people in HKG, Tokyo live like that. 

I just have a PC for my photography but at uni I just had a laptop, many people I know hav a laptop, a phone and a suitcase of clothes and they can walk out .... TV, stereo can be in the laptop, no printer, no scanner, no treadmill, use public transportation, no need to rent a garage.

When family moved into this place, I chose the smallest room for myself - used to be the previous owner's child's room.  Looking at my room now, I could of not gotten the flatbed scanner, the A3 printer despite it was a fabulous TM dea at the time nearly free with the amount of ink I was given, or my stereo.  I can use this PC for photography but if I had a laptop it would so much more so ... Until 5yrs ago I didn't even have a bedside drawer.  The single bookshelf is useful to put whatever stuff I have. 

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  Reply # 1105089 8-Aug-2014 19:33
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This may be of interest with regard to consent / legislation surrounding "tiny houses".
Kaikoura District Council sought a ruling from MBIE in relation to a "tiny house" where they'd warned the owner that they'd issue a "notice to remove" (a non-compliant "building") under their interpretation of the Building Act.
They lost.  In this case primarily because the use was occasional rather than permanent, and after a lot of consideration about whether it was a "vehicle" or not.
Determination is on line here:
http://www.dbh.govt.nz/UserFiles/File/Building/Determinations/2014/2014-025.pdf


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