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  #1087923 12-Jul-2014 23:54
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k14:
PhantomNVD: Anyone had experience of doing this through Waikato council... You'd think that being very heavily invested in hydro in the main Waikato that they' debate knowledgeable and helpful (their site says they promote it) but what thought do you have on the consenting process?
A) do they weight the impact vs the outcome (I.e. My piddling 300w system maybe isn't worth any potential disruption to the stream)
B) since the stream coming into my property goes through a culvert 1/2 meter above the average pond height (mini waterfall, no fish ladder etc.) taking only 40m out of the overall stream from there to where it'll leave my property should do bugger-all to the environment shouldn't it?
C) cost of gaining consent vs getting 'caught' without it... If I just do it and ask later (if it turns out worth having) am I liable for a huge fine?
D) if I ring up to ask, do I lose plausible deniability? :)

Basically, for such a small outcome, would you bother asking before trying it out to see if it's WORTH having and paying (annual?) consent fees?

B.) If you do anything with surface water that is not included in the regional plan then you need a resource consent. You need to talk to the council.
C.) Read the RMA, not only do the penalties include fines you could also be imprisoned. Most consents are given for a fairly long period, maximum is 35 years but most will be for circa 10-20 years.
D.) Ignorance is no excuse, you have no deniability to start with.

It sounds like you will most likely very easily get a consent but talk to the council. They aren't as bad as you think. There could well be a permitted activity rule that allows what you want to do. But without it you have nfi.


"NFI"?
Thanks for the info though, I guess I just have a general dislike for meaningless bureaucracy... And associate that with the local council and the way (I perceive) everything just cost more and more when maybe this isn't the case?

Has anyone asked permission from a local council and heard what they DO rate the application on?

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  #1090179 16-Jul-2014 18:05
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paint it green so the beurocrats dont see it.

councils are FARRR over reaching thier jursdiction.

As long as you are not daming up a stream whats the issue? if you have a natural waterfall that you can make use of...even better. theres LOADS of stuff on the net about F=P washing machine generators.

 
 
 
 


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  #1100364 1-Aug-2014 23:34
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The local authority likely would not like to be reminded but; national law has more weight than local bylaws. Therefore:
Resource Management Act 1991
Water 14 Restrictions relating to water
(3) A person is not prohibited by subsection (2) from taking, using, damming, or diverting any water, heat, or energy if -
(a) ...
(b) in the case of fresh water, the water, heat, or energy is required to be taken or used for -
(i) an individual's reasonable domestic needs; or (ii) ...

Logically the "reasonable domestic needs" could be proved with a power bill that showed your average daily consumption, or annual usage divided by 365. Hence if your hydro is designed to produce a reasonable amount of power, you don't legally need resource consent.
NB. If a local authority happens to be fanatically green & officious they can possibly make life difficult in other ways.
Hope this helps to keep the energy growing from flowing. Nat.

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  #1100365 1-Aug-2014 23:37
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The local authority likely would not like to be reminded but; national law has more weight than local bylaws. Therefore:
Resource Management Act 1991
Water 14 Restrictions relating to water
(3) A person is not prohibited by subsection (2) from taking, using, damming, or diverting any water, heat, or energy if -
(a) ...
(b) in the case of fresh water, the water, heat, or energy is required to be taken or used for -
(i) an individual's reasonable domestic needs; or (ii) ...

Logically the "reasonable domestic needs" could be proved with a power bill that showed your average daily consumption, or annual usage divided by 365. Hence if your hydro is designed to produce a reasonable amount of power, you don't legally need resource consent.
NB. If a local authority happens to be fanatically green & officious they can possibly make life difficult in other ways.
Hope this helps to keep the energy growing from flowing. Nat.

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  #1100414 2-Aug-2014 07:14
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There is no way that generating power is a "reasonable domestic need" if power is available from the grid. You'd struggle to prove it was if there was no grid electricity supply unless you lived in the boonies.

Domestic indicates washing, bathing, cooking, etc.




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