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  Reply # 1621436 2-Sep-2016 14:30
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We have had 2 Bosch and I won't be buying a third. I wasn't that happy with our first one, it had a few issues and their post sales support was average. Kitchen things talked me into another one saying all  the issues had been resolved, but in fact the only way to get the same level of wash that we had before is to do heavy duty washes.

 

 

 

The guy we dealt with from the Bosch NZ support number was grumpy and unhelpful and acted like we were completely unreasonable suggesting that the only wash cycle to get our dishes cleaned was the heaviest and hottest option didn't seem right..

 

 


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  Reply # 1621489 2-Sep-2016 16:02
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We have had 2 Bosch and I won't be buying a third. I wasn't that happy with our first one, it had a few issues and their post sales support was average. Kitchen things talked me into another one saying all  the issues had been resolved, but in fact the only way to get the same level of wash that we had before is to do heavy duty washes.


 


The guy we dealt with from the Bosch NZ support number was grumpy and unhelpful and acted like we were completely unreasonable suggesting that the only wash cycle to get our dishes cleaned was the heaviest and hottest option didn't seem right..


 



I always have to put mine in heavy duty wash, as normal never washes stuff well. But I am not sure that is an issue, just takes longer, and not an issue if you do it overnight.

But I have found the build quality isn't as good as others, such as Asko. I mean the coating in the cages shouldn't deteriorate and the spikes seperate at the welds.

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networkn:

 

We have had 2 Bosch and I won't be buying a third. I wasn't that happy with our first one, it had a few issues and their post sales support was average. Kitchen things talked me into another one saying all  the issues had been resolved, but in fact the only way to get the same level of wash that we had before is to do heavy duty washes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The guy we dealt with from the Bosch NZ support number was grumpy and unhelpful and acted like we were completely unreasonable suggesting that the only wash cycle to get our dishes cleaned was the heaviest and hottest option didn't seem right..

 

 

 

 

 



I always have to put mine in heavy duty wash, as normal never washes stuff well. But I am not sure that is an issue, just takes longer, and not an issue if you do it overnight.

But I have found the build quality isn't as good as others, such as Asko. I mean the coating in the cages shouldn't deteriorate and the spikes seperate at the welds.

 

 

 

What's the point of having different wash options, if the only one that does a decent job is heavy, which is also the most energy and water usage option, which means our "more efficient" dishwasher is actually worse than our old one. 

 

We have also had an issue where at the end of a wash cycle dishes aren't clean and the cleaning brick is still mostly intact after the cycle finishes. 

 

 

 

We are also a young family, and so we would typically run the DW twice a day at least, sometimes 3 times.  The fact it takes an extra hour is a factor for sure for us. 

 

 

 

 


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Doesn't the lack of pre-rinsing make for fun times when clearing the filter?

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MadEngineer: Doesn't the lack of pre-rinsing make for fun times when clearing the filter?

 

That is the only reason I pre-rinse. No desire for stinky chunks of crap stuck in the filters.

 

And by pre-rinse, I mean passing plate under running water to remove big bits.


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MadEngineer: Doesn't the lack of pre-rinsing make for fun times when clearing the filter?

 

The Bosch is magic. I clean the filter once a year and there's barely anything in it. Things must disintegrate and be washed away.





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minimoke:

 

Our 12 year old Westinghouse dishwasher no longer dries dishes and the dispenser often doesn't work so time to look at a replacement. Now wondering how your 2014 recommendations stack up in 2016. Its already had a few trips away for repairs so figure its not worth another.

 

 

 

Looking at a replacement I'm after something that is Quíet, washes (without loads of rinsing) and dries plastics. Needs to be the Stainless Steel option for kitchen aesthetics. And reliable! Washing pots would be handy - though I find the dishwasher is full of other stuff by the end of the day that these get washed by hand anyway. ( we use dishwasher once at night)

 

 

 

I'm probably a bit anti F&P. Bought a clothes washer (to try to keep it NZ) but it doesnt wash well at all. Recently got a 2 drawer dishwasher at work and the top drawer only lasted a couple of weeks before it had to be repaired.

 

Made a decsion a whiel back and forgot to post.

 

 

 

Ended up with an Asko 5436.XL

 

Went to a few shops but found our choices were a bit more limited than first thought. Need to be stainless to go with kitchen. Also need to be in-built. That knocks a fair few out of consideration. Had a look at Bosche and Miele but didn't quite like the features compared with the asko.

 

 

 

Settled on Asko because it had a wee knife slide drawer thing and a cutlery basket rather than a big slider where you had to put each individual piece in carefully. That was never going to work. Cant even get the kids to put a plate in properly let alone a knife in a slot. Loads of space and and functional. Eg the cutlery basket slides along the tray so its not fixed and blocks bigger stuff from going in. On the top I can double stack glasses. Racks are on ball bearing runners and slide real easy. Racks seemed a bit thicker and sturdier than others that had quite thin wires.

 

We've been using it for a while now and no disappointment. Its great to have clean dishes again. Does a good job on standard setting. Dries most plastics - on standard setting  - unless too many bowls go in then they end up a bit damp. I guess I could put it on the extra heat setting but cant be bothered. Quieter than the Westinghouse - so quiet its not a problem having it on when we are around. But takes a while-  over 2 hours compared with 90 minutes for a standard wash. Again not a problem because it goes on at night.

 

 

 

So now have clean and dry dishes which is just what I was after. Happy with purchase


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  Reply # 1647984 9-Oct-2016 13:58
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I have an Asko - would not buy again.
It's old to be fair, but it sounds like a steam engine when it's running!

 

 

Old Asko is irrelevant to current Asko products. Different owners, different country of manufacture.  

 

 

 

Miele is offering large discounts on dishwashers this month. If you buy a Miele product, buy it through a NZ owned retailer or else the sales commission goes to Australia or Germany.

 

 


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  Reply # 1648003 9-Oct-2016 14:48
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mattwnz:
networkn:

 

We have had 2 Bosch and I won't be buying a third. I wasn't that happy with our first one, it had a few issues and their post sales support was average. Kitchen things talked me into another one saying all  the issues had been resolved, but in fact the only way to get the same level of wash that we had before is to do heavy duty washes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The guy we dealt with from the Bosch NZ support number was grumpy and unhelpful and acted like we were completely unreasonable suggesting that the only wash cycle to get our dishes cleaned was the heaviest and hottest option didn't seem right..

 

 

 

 

 



I always have to put mine in heavy duty wash, as normal never washes stuff well. But I am not sure that is an issue, just takes longer, and not an issue if you do it overnight.

But I have found the build quality isn't as good as others, such as Asko. I mean the coating in the cages shouldn't deteriorate and the spikes seperate at the welds.

 

 

 

What's the point of having different wash options, if the only one that does a decent job is heavy, which is also the most energy and water usage option, which means our "more efficient" dishwasher is actually worse than our old one. 

 

We have also had an issue where at the end of a wash cycle dishes aren't clean and the cleaning brick is still mostly intact after the cycle finishes. 

 

 

 

We are also a young family, and so we would typically run the DW twice a day at least, sometimes 3 times.  The fact it takes an extra hour is a factor for sure for us. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe it has to do with if you pre wash your dishes before putting them into the dishwaster or not, as it seems many people do. I don't.

 

I do have an issue with mine, and that is that sometimes things come out smelling fishy . I didn't have the proble with the Asko.  It is worse when I have put something eggy into the dishwasher, so now always rinse those first.

 

Many homes do now have two dishwashers installed due to them now being so relatively cheap.So that could always be an option if you do need to do more than 1 wash a day, and also cuts down wear and tear, and means you have a spare when one needs fixing.


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  Reply # 1648247 9-Oct-2016 22:34
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That is the only reason I pre-rinse. No desire for stinky chunks of crap stuck in the filters.

 

And by pre-rinse, I mean passing plate under running water to remove big bits.

 

 

You can get much more than that by engaging in a more serious rinse. I rinse them in cold water and scrub off as much stuff as possible with a brush before I put them in the dishwasher (we only run it every few days, so don't want to end up with either rotting or baked-in gunk on the dishes). As a result, a quick economy wash gets things spotless, and cleaning the filter consists of taking it out once a year or so for a quick rinse, there's virtually nothing stuck in it.

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Again not a problem because it goes on at night.

 

 

Just a warning to people who do this, particularly with older dishwashers, you've got a device full of electronics, some at 240V, and with heating elements that's also got water running through it. If something goes wrong while you're asleep, it can result in a fire, or at least a lot of toxic smoke from burning/melted plastic. I'd be careful about running something like this while you're asleep...

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neb:
trig42:

 

That is the only reason I pre-rinse. No desire for stinky chunks of crap stuck in the filters.

 

And by pre-rinse, I mean passing plate under running water to remove big bits.

 

You can get much more than that by engaging in a more serious rinse. I rinse them in cold water and scrub off as much stuff as possible with a brush before I put them in the dishwasher (we only run it every few days, so don't want to end up with either rotting or baked-in gunk on the dishes). As a result, a quick economy wash gets things spotless, and cleaning the filter consists of taking it out once a year or so for a quick rinse, there's virtually nothing stuck in it.

 

Not much point in buying a super water and power efficient dishwasher if you are going to use 10x as much water rinsing beforehand. 3 Manufacturers have told me more than once, to scrap the plate with a knife and let the DW do the rest. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1648259 10-Oct-2016 00:08
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Not much point in buying a super water and power efficient dishwasher if you are going to use 10x as much water rinsing beforehand. 3 Manufacturers have told me more than once, to scrap the plate with a knife and let the DW do the rest.

 

 

Where do you get the figure of 10x from?

 

 

Also, if I can do it in 40 minutes with minimal water rather than 1 1/2 - 2 hours then that allows for an awful lot of rinsing.

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  Reply # 1648268 10-Oct-2016 06:56
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neb:
trig42:

 

That is the only reason I pre-rinse. No desire for stinky chunks of crap stuck in the filters.

 

And by pre-rinse, I mean passing plate under running water to remove big bits.

 

You can get much more than that by engaging in a more serious rinse. I rinse them in cold water and scrub off as much stuff as possible with a brush before I put them in the dishwasher (we only run it every few days, so don't want to end up with either rotting or baked-in gunk on the dishes). As a result, a quick economy wash gets things spotless, and cleaning the filter consists of taking it out once a year or so for a quick rinse, there's virtually nothing stuck in it.

 

All dishwasher manufacturers tell you not to bother. I scrape off large things into a bin, everything else goes straight in, though we wash every day or two. Everything comes out clean on a 1h30m wash and the filter needs cleaning annually. I have no idea how it gets rid of the gunk.

 

 





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We have a 3-4 yo Asko - Pretty happy with it, no maintenance issues. Its quiet (we have it on in the same room as the TV) but takes a long time to complete a cycle.

 

I would like a model with a built in timer in hindsight (if such a thing exists)

 

 

 

 


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