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  Reply # 1381085 7-Sep-2015 13:06
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Given the method and frequency of the transfer of usage data from the consumer's house to Flick, I can't work out why we shouldn't have access to this information in real time, ie on-going usage data updates following each data upload (half-hourly or something?) and - most importantly - cumulative daily usage data available at the close of each day (or by early the next morning).

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Having this data available more promptly would hopefully help be understand some of the significantly higher usage spikes I see in the data.


Totally. I'm guessing that Flick may not receive the data in real time either and possibly get a data dump for a full day in one go, but this isn't how I understood it worked before signing up for the service.

Since moving to Flick I have come a lot more aware of our power usage and feel that near real time, up to date information is what people expect when they're being charged in this way. This isn't a passive service as can't imagine anyone moving to Flick if you're never going to take notice of how much power you're using or how much you're being charged for it as the consequences of a massive bill could be quite devastating. BUT, I don't think Flick actually provide the tools for their customers to do this on their own website, we have to use other services to get an idea of how much we are likely to be charged, and then make a guess on how much we may be using at any particular moment. 

I really hope Flick will start to make there service a bit more consumer friendly as at the moment I think it's just a service for geeks who are prepared to find other means to get the required information to use this service well.


Smart meters are typically only read once a day by the company who owns the meters.  This read picks up the 48 half hours (or 46 or 50 at daylight savings change over) to midnight.  This is then processed and passed on to the retailer who then has to do their own processing.

You will NEVER get real time readings from the meters using the current meters and architecture.  The only way you'll get close to real time readings is if the meters are equipped with some sort of module to send you the data directly rather than through the meter owner and your retailer.

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  Reply # 1381089 7-Sep-2015 13:09
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graemeh: 
You will NEVER get real time readings from the meters using the current meters and architecture.  The only way you'll get close to real time readings is if the meters are equipped with some sort of module to send you the data directly rather than through the meter owner and your retailer.


Or a camera that captures numbers from the meter with simple OCR. Sounds like a fun weekend DIY project :-)

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1381125 7-Sep-2015 13:44
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graemeh: 
You will NEVER get real time readings from the meters using the current meters and architecture.  The only way you'll get close to real time readings is if the meters are equipped with some sort of module to send you the data directly rather than through the meter owner and your retailer.


Or a camera that captures numbers from the meter with simple OCR. Sounds like a fun weekend DIY project :-)


Yes and if you've got a meter with multiple registers you can also build a robotic finger to push the button on the meter (I'm serious here).

Some have also built devices that are triggered by the flashing light on the meter.

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  Reply # 1381135 7-Sep-2015 14:00
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gchiu: Does anyone know of a way to turn off a standard hot water cylinder power remotely or on a timer?
I have solar hot water and I don't need the power to top it up during the day to reach a particular temperature as it's hot enough now for showers.
I just want to heat up overnight when the power cost is lowest.

I did find this http://www.smarthotwater.co.nz/ but couldn't find any reviews.


You should be able to get a timer switch added in. This could either be next to the Water cylinder, or in the distribution box (assuming water heater has its own feed back to there with nothing else branched off!).

I am planning on a timer in the distribution board for mine... (unless Flick bring out their solution before I get round to it!).

If you wanted to do it smarter, you'd need a relay, and a means of controlling it. Equally some timers have an external switch input too, so you could run it as a timer, and later on make it smarter with some sort of remote/smart switching.

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  Reply # 1381141 7-Sep-2015 14:08
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gchiu: Does anyone know of a way to turn off a standard hot water cylinder power remotely or on a timer?
I have solar hot water and I don't need the power to top it up during the day to reach a particular temperature as it's hot enough now for showers.
I just want to heat up overnight when the power cost is lowest.

I did find this http://www.smarthotwater.co.nz/ but couldn't find any reviews.


You should be able to get a timer switch added in. This could either be next to the Water cylinder, or in the distribution box (assuming water heater has its own feed back to there with nothing else branched off!).

I am planning on a timer in the distribution board for mine... (unless Flick bring out their solution before I get round to it!).

If you wanted to do it smarter, you'd need a relay, and a means of controlling it. Equally some timers have an external switch input too, so you could run it as a timer, and later on make it smarter with some sort of remote/smart switching.

Mike


Do they still install a ripple control for hot water cylinders when you have solar?  If there is a ripple controller installed the timer will need a backup power supply so it isn't messed up when the lines company turns the hot water heating off.

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  Reply # 1381145 7-Sep-2015 14:20
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Ah! Mine has no ripple control, so was forgetting that!

I think most timers have battery backup built-in though, so should cope OK with lines company induced outages.



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  Reply # 1381219 7-Sep-2015 15:34
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Maybe one of these switches?

http://www.ezyswitch.co.nz/


Didn't see a price though.

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  Reply # 1381380 7-Sep-2015 20:34
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They arnt bothering to control them anymore on the shore in auckland anymore. When they replaced the pole and cocked up so I had no hot water the next day, the guy that came out just opened up the relay in the outside board and put a wire link in place.





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  Reply # 1381420 7-Sep-2015 21:41
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gchiu: Maybe one of these switches?

http://www.ezyswitch.co.nz/


Didn't see a price though.


that looks great but seems only to work on mobile network.  these might be better, and can do lot more

http://www.relaypros.com/Relay/Relay/Wi-Fi_Relay#.Ve1aoLRea20

or 
https://www.controlanything.com/Relay/Relay/WIRELESS

or from a local supplier
http://nz.element14.com/ackme-networks/adw002/i-o-board-wifi-amw004/dp/2449367?ost=wifi+relay


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  Reply # 1381476 7-Sep-2015 23:36
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miked:
gchiu: Does anyone know of a way to turn off a standard hot water cylinder power remotely or on a timer?
I have solar hot water and I don't need the power to top it up during the day to reach a particular temperature as it's hot enough now for showers.
I just want to heat up overnight when the power cost is lowest.

I did find this http://www.smarthotwater.co.nz/ but couldn't find any reviews.


You should be able to get a timer switch added in. This could either be next to the Water cylinder, or in the distribution box (assuming water heater has its own feed back to there with nothing else branched off!).

I am planning on a timer in the distribution board for mine... (unless Flick bring out their solution before I get round to it!).

If you wanted to do it smarter, you'd need a relay, and a means of controlling it. Equally some timers have an external switch input too, so you could run it as a timer, and later on make it smarter with some sort of remote/smart switching.

Mike


Maybe something like http://www.unipro.co.nz/catalog/series-lnt316d-digital-time-switch-p-1947.html that could act as a timer on your switchboard.


richms: They arnt bothering to control them anymore on the shore in auckland anymore. When they replaced the pole and cocked up so I had no hot water the next day, the guy that came out just opened up the relay in the outside board and put a wire link in place.



I was told by Powershop at the end of last year/start of this year that Vector were intending on ending the plans for ripple control, (and apparently timing signals for controlled plans (!?!!)), etc, in the old United Networks area (what now get called Vector North&West) as they "don't need it".  Silly in my opinion as Flick is the only ones that I know of that are implementing actual Peak/Shoulder/OffPeak pricing of any kind.

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  Reply # 1381480 7-Sep-2015 23:44
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nigelj:
I was told by Powershop at the end of last year/start of this year that Vector were intending on ending the plans for ripple control, (and apparently timing signals for controlled plans (!?!!)), etc, in the old United Networks area (what now get called Vector North&West) as they "don't need it".  Silly in my opinion as Flick is the only ones that I know of that are implementing actual Peak/Shoulder/OffPeak pricing of any kind.


Not really, IMO they should have used that 5th wire for so much more than just on and off, but broadband/radio has made it pretty much redundant now.

If they can start to push out real live rates to people then it makes it much more viable to choose your own rate rather than just hope that the ripple/pilot wire cuts the water heater at the highest usage time.

I also found when the guy was doing the removal of it that the pilot wire was also supposed to have switched the old spapool heater off at the same time the hot water was cut, but that was not wired that way because someone had moved it to be in an always on terminal.




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  Reply # 1381589 8-Sep-2015 10:05
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Ripple control isn't the saving it used to be.  Power companies charge more for reading two meters and the rate difference between controlled and non-controlled meters are minimal. 

In our last house (solar hot water) when the meters were replaced, I requested the ripple control be removed and it was.  Total power bill went down.

I our current house (about 5 years old) there is no ripple control at all.




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  Reply # 1381605 8-Sep-2015 10:24
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Flick are coming out with their own hot water control system, but it's been delayed a couple of times. A simple timer is probably sufficient, and cheaper, if you want it immediately. Do you really need WiFi control or can you just set up the timer and let it run?

I've noticed power's been more expensive the past week as well. Anyone know why? Coming out of winter, less rain? Surely the lakes are still pretty full?




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  Reply # 1381681 8-Sep-2015 11:34
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timmmay: Flick are coming out with their own hot water control system, but it's been delayed a couple of times. A simple timer is probably sufficient, and cheaper, if you want it immediately. Do you really need WiFi control or can you just set up the timer and let it run?


Most timers also have a manual over-ride button on the timer too, so if you really needed to reheat your water you could simply press a button on the timer to turn it on (or off).

I haven't found a din rail timer with an external trigger feed though. I was sure I'd seen these in the past, but either I'm not looking hard enough, or they are not readily available and my mind is playing tricks on me...



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  Reply # 1383514 9-Sep-2015 16:03
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This has current pricing http://www.em6live.co.nz/PlanningRegion.aspx?planningregion=lsi

But is there an archive of what prices were?

I just want to correlate their prices with Flick's.

I've decided to go the SMS way to control my hot water power so need to get some scripts running to send SMS, and monitor power, and send SMS alerts to my phone if power goes up too high.

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