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  Reply # 1802653 17-Jun-2017 17:14
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Hi all, new to GZ so go easy.

 

Very interesting topic, I wish I'd come across that earlier.  I've been with Flick for nearly 2 years and I'm equally frustrated with the last 45 days of spot prices going through the roof.  I came across EK last year when some friends were encouraging us to switch but last year, my total bill with Flick was still hard to beat.  In fact the EK estimator recommended I stay put.

 

I'm surprised to hear that their service offering might actually be genuine (last year's ads seemed a bit invasive and didn't feel trustworthy).  In the end, competition in the NZ electricity market is good for all of us, and having different billing models helps cater for all our individually unique power needs.

 

andrewNZ: I'll be sticking with them for a bit still.

The way I see it you need to take the good with the bad. I paid 13c or less a unit for 3 months or more over summer, So it'll be a while before I'm worse off..

 

I think that's the noble thing to do (if there is such a thing with a power company).  I would probably be doing the same.  Spot prices might stabilize and the hassle of switching (even at a $50 incentive) might not be worthwhile in the long run.

 

On an unrelated subject, for those frustrated with the Flick notifications, I developed a lightweight web service last year when I first became a Flick customer which snatches the price from Flick (via their smartphone API) and publishes it to a locally hosted webpage at home.  This way the whole family can view the price throughout the day and take action accordingly.

 

This approach allowed me to add GST and the daily network fees so the price I see is the price I pay.  It pulls data from Flick every 10 minutes 24x7 and logs it as well for future analysis.  It also allowed me to do some home automation (using cheap power relays and ESP8266 units) to shutdown power hogs like the hot water tank and the spa when certain thresholds are met.

 

I'm not sure if this would benefit anyone, but I'm happy to post the web server code somewhere - that is if there are still Flick customers on this thread :) 

 

Cheers


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  Reply # 1802657 17-Jun-2017 17:24
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@easycode Please share the code ...

 

Please see mine for long term scraping of actual prices and usage.

 

 





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  Reply # 1802658 17-Jun-2017 17:24
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The EK estimator suggested I stay put, but it's very close. I'm just tired of having to actively manage a utility.





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  Reply # 1802662 17-Jun-2017 17:39
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Yup, still some hanging in there...
Savings have been well down this last few weeks, but I see this as a long ride, and am prepared to stick on the roller coaster for a while yet. My power price right now is 30c , this has been a pattern all week. (Makes me wince when I turn the oven on...)

For everyone's info, flick were very accomodationing in reestablishing the reduced off peak charging when I asked what would be required to comply with the lines company new rules (I live in wellytown). Some readjustment of my meter so it could handle the two rates was supposed to cost me either $150? For a site visit if that was required, or $24 for a remote attempt. The remote reprogramming worked just fine, and flick didn't actually charge me anything.

So I enjoy reduced rates in the evening hours again now, along with very stringent timing for water heating. I have hot water timing tied down even tighter locally though ( I didn't want ANY heating during ANY part of the day when spikes might wipe me out). This works well for our household as there are no kids to chew up the hot water - wouldn't suit everyone.

Flicks dashboard doesn't understand the dual meter setup, so the savings are hard to visualise, but the bill spells it out.

Here is a chunk of last weeks bill to give you an idea...


Costs as charged to us (no mark-up) Units Price per unit Charge
Generation – The average spot price for the energy you used
Wholesale Electricity @ spot price. Meter 214326392_1 59 kWh 7.2717 c/kWh $4.29 Wholesale Electricity @ spot price. Meter 214326392_2 62.35 kWh 8.8725 c/kWh $5.53
$9.82


Transmission/Distribution – The charge for network company to get power to your house Network Charge - Low User All Inclusive. Meter 214326392_2
Network Charge - Low User Night. Meter 214326392_1
Network Daily Charge - Low User
62.35 kWh 59 kWh
7 days
9.29 c/kWh 1.89 c/kWh 15 c/day
$5.79 $1.12 $1.05 $7.96


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  Reply # 1802797 17-Jun-2017 20:56
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@easycloud please post the code also. As automating appliances based on the spot price has been on my project to do list for ages.

As I could then integrate it with my LPG heater. So it will automatically switch between electricity and gas for heating depending on which is cheapest.





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  Reply # 1802852 18-Jun-2017 04:18
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Heya,

I am currently running a beta web app that uses Flick's interface to check your price every x minutes. You can set thresholds and get notified via email, slack or integrate with IFTTT.
Flick apparently will also release a new api sometime

It's built on Joget Workflow 6, which means you can also run it on your own server - happy to share the app file.

http://flick.business-process.net

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  Reply # 1802913 18-Jun-2017 10:44
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@TonyS071

 

Very interested to hear more about your meter re-configuration. I'm also in Wellington, and the loss of cheap overnight power was a big sting to the previous savings on Flick. If I could get that back, then Flick would make a lot more sense again.

 

Also has anyone here in Wellington tried Paua-to-the-People? I get the impression they are offering similar model to Flick, but possibly taking a smaller percentage fee... albeit with less support and notifications (which might of course be a positive for some people!)

 

I'm torn between sticking with Flick, or jumping to another provider. Last week I supposedly saved 7% over previous supplier, but guessing this week won't have been the same... maybe a small loss.... but $600 of savings gives me a good buffer if I end up paying more for a few weeks.

 

Decisions decisions....


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  Reply # 1802940 18-Jun-2017 12:47
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mattrix:

 

Did you all use the EK referral to get the $50 credit?
If not, some have said you can message them still and say "I forgot to click via my friends referal" and they still do it.

 

Here's my link anyway:
https://www.electrickiwi.co.nz/go/refer-a-friend?6lJeVjpcH2VzhIvof9nQ2A%3D%3D

I've made an Android app for them as well (allows scheduling different hours for different days, reminders, etc)
http://www.matthuisman.nz/2017/04/electrickiwi-android-app.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just changed to EK, used your link, so $50.00 coming your way.

 

 

 

Orion's winter peak and super peak pricing has been killing our savings lately and that's with shifting as much load to off peak time. Got sick of being in a cold house.


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  Reply # 1803089 18-Jun-2017 20:31
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  Reply # 1803682 19-Jun-2017 21:16
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You will have noticed that prices have been higher than normal over the past few weeks. If you’ve got our app, your alerts will have been pinging, and you may have seen some media coverage last week about Dry Winter conditions putting pressure on the hydro lakes.

 

At Flick, we pride ourselves on giving you absolute transparency around prices, so here we set out what we expect to happen over the coming month or so.

We’re also proud of the massive savings our model delivers to customers - an average of $498 over the past year, with many of our longer term customers having saved over $1,000!

 

Spot price forecast

 

Over the past fortnight, the spot price in the upper North Island has sat around 10.8 cents ($0.108).

 

Our forecast suggests that this will drop to 10.5 cents ($0.105) over the coming month.

 

We’ll keep updating you on the forecast as these dry conditions continue.

These higher prices follow 102 consecutive weeks of savings that Flick has delivered to Flicksters. So if you can weather a few bad weeks, we know you’ll still be better off in the long run.

 

How long will high prices last?
History tells us that Dry Winter conditions happen once every four or five years, and last from three to eight weeks, so we expect these conditions to be over by mid-August.

But this could all change suddenly if there’s decent rainfall in the right places in the South Island. There’s rain forecast for later this week, so it seems the mass finger-crossing happening at Flick HQ may be working!

 

Steve-AMA-(EDM).jpg   You’re still winning with Flick

 

  • Check out how much you’ve saved with Flick. This updates every week when we generate your bill, so it takes into account any weeks where you don’t save.
  • Know that these higher prices will come to an end. History shows that Dry Winters happen every four to five years and usually last between three and eight weeks, so we expect these conditions to be over by mid-August.
  • Be a conscious consumer. Over winter we all tend to use more electricity, so higher bills at the moment are a combination of how much you’re using and the price. Even though prices are higher overall at the moment you can still follow the price actively on our app and use those big energy using appliances at cheaper times of the day.




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  Reply # 1803729 20-Jun-2017 00:31
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@mentalinc Do we need to pre submit questions or just fire away? Just checked the Flick Facebook page but nothing new there yet.

 

My questions so far:

 

Do you have a firm date for accepting solar customers or allowing existing customers to get solar?

 

Will the export price be the spot price as per the wholesale market?

 

Will you allow export of electricity from any form of generation? Say if I connected a diesel generator to a grid connect inverter.

 

Any plans to offer price hedging? Even being able to hedge 0.5 or 1KW per hour of usage would have helped me alot through these latest spikes.

 

[edited to add]

 

Any plans to offer an official supported device that turns things on and off depending on what the current prices are?






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  Reply # 1803766 20-Jun-2017 08:41
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@Aredwood - that post is just a copy and paste of the email we Flick customers got yesterday from Flick, so I'm pretty sure metalinc is just posting for information as a customer, not as a representative of Flick.

 

Which, in itself, raises an interesting point that there doesn't ever seem to have been a Flick representative on GZ; given this site has no doubt been a significant influencer on sign-ups (and now deserters, including me) I'd have thought it could have been good PR for them to have engaged here.


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  Reply # 1803784 20-Jun-2017 09:03
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I suggested Flick would like to participate on the thread a year or so ago, they said they preferred to be observers.

 

I don't think I got that email from Flick.





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  Reply # 1803844 20-Jun-2017 09:43
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mentalinc:

 

 

 

Spot price forecast

 

Over the past fortnight, the spot price in the upper North Island has sat around 10.8 cents ($0.108).

 

Our forecast suggests that this will drop to 10.5 cents ($0.105) over the coming month.

 

Well given that the thermals are running that is what you would expect,

 

But the spot prices for anyone on the other side of the HVDC is pretty crushing at the moment....

 

 


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  Reply # 1803845 20-Jun-2017 09:43
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No email here yet either.


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