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  Reply # 1822402 14-Jul-2017 12:24
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tdgeek:

 

Side topic, what drives the spot price?

 

is it:

 

1. The direct effect of much higher fossil fuel generation costs, bumping up the average kWh price, as the FF mix is higher?

 

2. Reduced Hydro generation kWh's, so price is increased to retain the same revenue on a smaller level of hydro generation?

 

3. Both?

 

 

Copied from my lecture slides from last semester:


My understanding is we're having to use more expensive forms of electricity production to meet the current demand, due to hydro generation being lower than usual. Also, the cold weather has caused demand to increase, and there's no price signals (except for those on Flick), to help reduce the demand, and therefore, lower the price. So it's a combination of low supply of cheaper electricity, and increased demand due to the weather, which is causing the high prices.

Could be totally wrong haha, just going off my limited knowledge from my Eco paper.


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  Reply # 1822406 14-Jul-2017 12:35
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Sam91:

 

tdgeek:

 

Side topic, what drives the spot price?

 

is it:

 

1. The direct effect of much higher fossil fuel generation costs, bumping up the average kWh price, as the FF mix is higher?

 

2. Reduced Hydro generation kWh's, so price is increased to retain the same revenue on a smaller level of hydro generation?

 

3. Both?

 

 

Copied from my lecture slides from last semester:


My understanding is we're having to use more expensive forms of electricity production to meet the current demand, due to hydro generation being lower than usual. Also, the cold weather has caused demand to increase, and there's no price signals (except for those on Flick), to help reduce the demand, and therefore, lower the price. So it's a combination of low supply of cheaper electricity, and increased demand due to the weather, which is causing the high prices.

Could be totally wrong haha, just going off my limited knowledge from my Eco paper.

 

 

Very good!

 

What i feel is that is totally normal. Whether RSP's wear the high spot prices or whether they get a fixed deal from the generators, that will also include the highs that we see now, all built in. No free lunch. But Flicksters are being exposed to what happens all year, every year, just that they have no way to level out the highs and lows, they experience them in real time. All of us have the exact same highs and lows, but our RSP's level our pricing to give a level 365 day price. The RSP's may do that themselves with the generator (at a premium) or wear the high cost today knowing it is fine on an annual basis. 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1822567 14-Jul-2017 16:03
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tdgeek:

 

But Flicksters are being exposed to what happens all year, every year, just that they have no way to level out the highs and lows, they experience them in real time. All of us have the exact same highs and lows, but our RSP's level our pricing to give a level 365 day price. The RSP's may do that themselves with the generator (at a premium) or wear the high cost today knowing it is fine on an annual basis. 

 

 

 

 

Seems there are two sets of highs and lows. There are the intra-day highs and lows, and Flick is very good at exposing that to customers who are willing to time-shift usage away from the peak and benefit from the off-peak lower prices.

 

Then there is the seasonal highs and lows, particularly winter in dry-years.  No one wants to time-shift their winter heating needs into November when the power is cheap.  So right now flick users are feeling pain (except for the small number of users that have duplicated their heating infrastructure and can choose between electric or non-electric sources).

 

So i conclude there a others have here, there is a market for a contract that exposes you to daily peak prices, but hedges you against seasonal extremes.


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  Reply # 1822588 14-Jul-2017 16:48
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Himmig: Yea as much as I can - Login details are removed immediately after the setup and I use encryption for the short time the information is needed.
I'd rather not have it at all but the API doesn't really give us a different option.

 

Just had a look at this page https://github.com/madleech/FlickElectricApi/blob/master/src/flick-api.coffee

 

Since you're using madleech's code, can you tell me where this came from?

 

client_id: 'le37iwi3qctbduh39fvnpevt1m2uuvz'
client_secret: 'ignwy9ztnst3azswww66y9vd9zt6qnt'

 

I'm not familiar with JWT but are these values invariant?  And do they relate to the authentication of the mobile client vs authentication of the user?

 

 


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  Reply # 1822591 14-Jul-2017 16:58
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gchiu:

 

Just had a look at this page https://github.com/madleech/FlickElectricApi/blob/master/src/flick-api.coffee

 

Since you're using madleech's code, can you tell me where this came from?

 

client_id: 'le37iwi3qctbduh39fvnpevt1m2uuvz'
client_secret: 'ignwy9ztnst3azswww66y9vd9zt6qnt'

 

I'm not familiar with JWT but are these values invariant?  And do they relate to the authentication of the mobile client vs authentication of the user?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those are oauth client credentials. In this particular case those are static for everybody.


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  Reply # 1822660 14-Jul-2017 19:51
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dantheperson:

 

tdgeek:

 

But Flicksters are being exposed to what happens all year, every year, just that they have no way to level out the highs and lows, they experience them in real time. All of us have the exact same highs and lows, but our RSP's level our pricing to give a level 365 day price. The RSP's may do that themselves with the generator (at a premium) or wear the high cost today knowing it is fine on an annual basis. 

 

 

 

 

Seems there are two sets of highs and lows. There are the intra-day highs and lows, and Flick is very good at exposing that to customers who are willing to time-shift usage away from the peak and benefit from the off-peak lower prices.

 

Then there is the seasonal highs and lows, particularly winter in dry-years.  No one wants to time-shift their winter heating needs into November when the power is cheap.  So right now flick users are feeling pain (except for the small number of users that have duplicated their heating infrastructure and can choose between electric or non-electric sources).

 

So i conclude there a others have here, there is a market for a contract that exposes you to daily peak prices, but hedges you against seasonal extremes.

 

 

They arent exposing customers. The customers are exposing themselves to obtain cheaper prices, but seem to be miffed about winter? Hedging is good. It will cost, but you cant the the cake and eat it too




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  Reply # 1822664 14-Jul-2017 20:02
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zerkms: 

 

 

 

Those are oauth client credentials. In this particular case those are static for everybody.

 

 

Got it.

 

I've just written this little script which just prints the current spot price I'm being charged every minute.  

 

Now to get it on my spare sim less phone so I can see what the price is doing.


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  Reply # 1822682 14-Jul-2017 21:02
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How does one run a rebol script?





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  Reply # 1822685 14-Jul-2017 21:12
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If you use a script, checking the price via api more often than every 5 minutes will give you little benefit. Most times prices are updated ever 15-30 minutes plus it's not necessarily the exact price point and timing that will be charged at the end.
I retrieved prices every minute initially and have now moved to every 10 minutes. :)
Flick will eventually come out with a more accessible API which hopefully makes it easier and safe to integrate with.

Update: Just noticed that it looks like you use the expiry timer - nice! Just be mindful that the price sometimes updates more frequently than that.

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  Reply # 1822690 14-Jul-2017 21:31
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gchiu:

 

 

 

Got it.

 

I've just written this little script which just prints the current spot price I'm being charged every minute.  

 

Now to get it on my spare sim less phone so I can see what the price is doing.

 

 

A word of advice, if you switch your endpoint from the legacy:

 

https://api.flick.energy/customer/mobile_provider/price

 

to the new API endpoint

 

https://api.flick.energy/rating/forecast_prices?supply_node=%2Fnetwork%2Fnz%2Fsupply_nodes%2F92064cc0-e5c1-4823-9e97-69b65b27033f&number_of_periods_ahead=1

 

You will get the 30 min forecast as well.  You can change the "number_of_periods_ahead=1" to a greater value to see even more in the future.

 

Here's what mine looks like.  It auto-refreshes so I have this plastered all around the house for the family to use.

 

 

 

Flick Dashboard

 

Edit:  I just realised the supply_node in the new URL might change from location to location, hence you'd have to find what yours would be.  

 

Also, I just realised this could be considered off topic.  Might be worth discussing this in a new thread instead.




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  Reply # 1822691 14-Jul-2017 21:31
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mentalinc:

 

How does one run a rebol script?

 

 

I've updated the notes in the script header on how to run it and updated it to run every 10 minutes.


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  Reply # 1822693 14-Jul-2017 21:33
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gchiu:

 

 

 

I've updated the notes in the script header on how to run it and updated it to run every 10 minutes.

 

 

I find that giving the end-user the ability to force-reload prices during those 10 minute periods is very handy.  The 10 minute auto-refresh doesn't always line up with the 30 & 60 intervals. Sometimes you want to see the effective price and not wait for the script to do its thing.




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  Reply # 1822694 14-Jul-2017 21:50
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easycloud:

 

A word of advice, if you switch your endpoint from the legacy:

 

https://api.flick.energy/customer/mobile_provider/price

 

to the new API endpoint

 

https://api.flick.energy/rating/forecast_prices?supply_node=%2Fnetwork%2Fnz%2Fsupply_nodes%2F92064cc0-e5c1-4823-9e97-69b65b27033f&number_of_periods_ahead=1

 

You will get the 30 min forecast as well.  You can change the "number_of_periods_ahead=1" to a greater value to see even more in the future.

 

Edit:  I just realised the supply_node in the new URL might change from location to location, hence you'd have to find what yours would be.  

 

Also, I just realised this could be considered off topic.  Might be worth discussing this in a new thread instead.

 

 

Since I'm the topic starter, I don't think it is off topic!

 

Does this new API endpoint need different OAUTH credentials, or an API key?  I get an unauthorised message :(


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  Reply # 1822695 14-Jul-2017 21:56
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gchiu:

 

 

 

Does this new API endpoint need different OAUTH credentials, or an API key?  I get an unauthorised message :(

 

 

Same OAuth credentials and endpoint as before, it should be a straight drop-in replacement for the previous URL.  


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