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  Reply # 1823260 16-Jul-2017 14:09
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Wiggum:

 

 

 

But if you have a family, with little mouths to feed, and house to keep warm, its just not viable to have to react to phone notifications warning you to turn things off. School holidays when you at work don't help either, your whole family needs to be onboard with this or else it can just end up actually costing you more than other suppliers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Send them all off to the library.  Nice and cosy there.


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  Reply # 1823263 16-Jul-2017 14:40
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Wiggum:

michaelmurfy:


So looking at my EK graphs it appears that while I was at work my sister had the heatpump and dryer (which is a heatpump dryer so kinda low power use) turned on - maybe oven too.


Phew I would have been bankrupt. Now, if it was just me I likely would have had ~$2 added to my bill for that day but I can estimate maybe $50 for that days use if I was still with Flick. Swings and roundabouts.



This is the problem with Flick, If you are a single person manning all of your power yourself, then its fine.


But if you have a family, with little mouths to feed, and house to keep warm, its just not viable to have to react to phone notifications warning you to turn things off. School holidays when you at work don't help either, your whole family needs to be onboard with this or else it can just end up actually costing you more than other suppliers.


 



This has been a days issue not an every second week for a week one. If you use Flick you get low rates all through the year, and this day's issue may happen a couple of times. Beats me how some love the low rates but can't endure the opposite for a very brief period

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1823273 16-Jul-2017 15:24
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This has been a days issue not an every second week for a week one. If you use Flick you get low rates all through the year, and this day's issue may happen a couple of times. Beats me how some love the low rates but can't endure the opposite for a very brief period

 

I agree with you, but the point I am trying to make is that you need to be home to be able to manage it. If switching appliances off is out of your control, then flick is not right for you.

 

Granted it was brief period (2 days in a row), but Winter is far from over and there is more to come. I guess its a risk that some are prepared to take, and others not. Personally I would just prefer a flat rate, even if its a bit more.

 

I just don't see the point of being at work, receiving notification of high prices etc when there is little I can actually do.

 

Flick is a great idea, they can make far better by perhaps giving users the flexibility of switching between a fixed rate/spot prices whenever required.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1823302 16-Jul-2017 16:01
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pogo:

 

@Sam91 Isn't that the opposite of how the graph is supposed to look?

 

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Although that still cost $21! My highest day ever.

 

 

I think I might have dodged a bullet too, phew... 

 

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Mine cost $17.45 with 5 people in the house.  Needless to say, it was a winter day to remember.

 

My wife suggested the library or a mall that day, but I thought whatever savings we would make might have ended up in petrol or impulse mall purchases.

 

 


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  Reply # 1823310 16-Jul-2017 16:32
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Wiggum:

 

tdgeek:

This has been a days issue not an every second week for a week one. If you use Flick you get low rates all through the year, and this day's issue may happen a couple of times. Beats me how some love the low rates but can't endure the opposite for a very brief period

 

I agree with you, but the point I am trying to make is that you need to be home to be able to manage it. If switching appliances off is out of your control, then flick is not right for you.

 

Granted it was brief period (2 days in a row), but Winter is far from over and there is more to come. I guess its a risk that some are prepared to take, and others not. Personally I would just prefer a flat rate, even if its a bit more.

 

I just don't see the point of being at work, receiving notification of high prices etc when there is little I can actually do.

 

Flick is a great idea, they can make far better by perhaps giving users the flexibility of switching between a fixed rate/spot prices whenever required.

 

With me since my sister never would watch the price of power I ended up spending more in total in the time I've been with Flick compared to EK at the current rates. The problem is her use would be in peak times and no matter how many times I'd tell her she wouldn't change her habits so I am better off with another provider. Again, if it was just me managing it then I'll still be on Flick.

 

Great concept - just not for everyone.





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  Reply # 1823316 16-Jul-2017 16:47
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Wiggum:

tdgeek:

This has been a days issue not an every second week for a week one. If you use Flick you get low rates all through the year, and this day's issue may happen a couple of times. Beats me how some love the low rates but can't endure the opposite for a very brief period


I agree with you, but the point I am trying to make is that you need to be home to be able to manage it. If switching appliances off is out of your control, then flick is not right for you.


Granted it was brief period (2 days in a row), but Winter is far from over and there is more to come. I guess its a risk that some are prepared to take, and others not. Personally I would just prefer a flat rate, even if its a bit more.


I just don't see the point of being at work, receiving notification of high prices etc when there is little I can actually do.


Flick is a great idea, they can make far better by perhaps giving users the flexibility of switching between a fixed rate/spot prices whenever required.


 


 



I do agree that reacting to price notifications manually is not practical (especially for families).
With more devices supporting wifi and bluetooth it does get easier to automate it though.
I have automated our heating so that devices are turned off by my Flick app when the price spikes. When the price is low and we are at home then the temperature is at around 21-22 degrees. When the price is higher than usual but still acceptable then the temperature varies between 19-21 degrees.
Bottom line is I don't need to do anything except switching the heater on in the morning and off in the evening.
Wifi sockets are reaching 10 dollar per piece and a wifi heatpump sensor costs between 50-100 dollar so it's not even a very expensive setup given the steady room temperature has its benefits too. ;)

I think Flick has an interesting model but most home devices are not quiet there yet to be able to take full (automated) advantage of it.
But I think many electric cars for example already allow API based stopping /resuming of charging - unfortunately it will be another 3-4 years until the ones with 300km+ range will be affordable.



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  Reply # 1823345 16-Jul-2017 17:30
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I wonder what the minimum cost would be to be able to do automatic control of

 

     

  1.  Heat pump
  2. Radio controlled heaters
  3. Hot water

 

Dishwashers, (some) clothes washers can be scheduled usually.

 

I guess Ovens are more difficult if you need to cook a specific meal though often slow cookers can be substituted if planned well ahead.


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  Reply # 1823349 16-Jul-2017 17:48
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gchiu:

 

I wonder what the minimum cost would be to be able to do automatic control of

 

     

  1.  Heat pump
  2. Radio controlled heaters
  3. Hot water

 

Dishwashers, (some) clothes washers can be scheduled usually.

 

I guess Ovens are more difficult if you need to cook a specific meal though often slow cookers can be substituted if planned well ahead.

 

 

I don't think it will really solve very much.

 

What I have learned over the last few days is that even if you can switch off to save power, sometimes you can't (no matter the cost).

 

Power is a necessity, you can get away with switching off off-peak hours (thats easy), but you can't always switch off during peak hours (7am-9am, 5pm-9pm), its the worst time to switch things off and try to save power. And thats generally when all the spikes happen.

 

Good luck to those that want to stay with Flick. To me life is too short to stress about hundreds of phone notifications, and walk around switching off/on heat pumps, dryers etc.

 

$40 for one day of power is where I draw the line. I have signed up with Electric kiwi.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1823374 16-Jul-2017 18:11
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Wiggum:

 

 

 

$40 for one day of power is where I draw the line. I have signed up with Electric kiwi.

 

 

I'm seeing $50 for Wednesday and $70 for Thursday.  I guess Friday is going to be as bad.

 

But I should still be ahead over the year.


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  Reply # 1823434 16-Jul-2017 19:57
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tdgeek:

This has been a days issue not an every second week for a week one. If you use Flick you get low rates all through the year, and this day's issue may happen a couple of times. Beats me how some love the low rates but can't endure the opposite for a very brief period


Nobody is worried about a few expensive days, it's the uncertainty of how long it will last which is the concern. In theory it could go on for several weeks, which would lead to huge losses for many people. 

 

So far we're up just over $200 by being with Flick. Based on the highest days last week, if those prices were to continue for a month, a $300 bill would be close to $900. It would take a long time to recoup that $600 loss.

Hopefully we don't see last week's prices return tomorrow.




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  Reply # 1823440 16-Jul-2017 20:18
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I'm still over $1200 in savings so far.  So a few expensive days aren't going to bother me yet.


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  Reply # 1823442 16-Jul-2017 20:35
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Wiggum:

 

My prices over the last few days.

 

Thursday and Friday are still estimates, but I think they are more or less right.

 

ouch .....

 

 

You have my sympathy! We'd be looking at a bare minimum $26 per day on Flick at present, yet we are averaging about $11 this week on EK.


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  Reply # 1823444 16-Jul-2017 20:45
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tdgeek:

This has been a days issue not an every second week for a week one. If you use Flick you get low rates all through the year, and this day's issue may happen a couple of times. Beats me how some love the low rates but can't endure the opposite for a very brief period

 

Why should we endure these highs though? It's a competitive open market which Flick and EK well know. Most people jump from one Internet deal to another regularly, or one bank to another, one cell provider to another etc. why not Power? I have no shame in saying that I am out to save my family the most I can, if that means jumping ship due to a "very brief period" of high rates (try weeks of it now) than so be it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I had no loyalty to Flick like I have no loyalty to Electric Kiwi now. If either went under I wouldn't shed a tear I'd just look for the next best deal and enjoy that while I could.


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  Reply # 1823558 17-Jul-2017 06:50
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Wiggum:

 

tdgeek:

This has been a days issue not an every second week for a week one. If you use Flick you get low rates all through the year, and this day's issue may happen a couple of times. Beats me how some love the low rates but can't endure the opposite for a very brief period

 

I agree with you, but the point I am trying to make is that you need to be home to be able to manage it. If switching appliances off is out of your control, then flick is not right for you.

 

Granted it was brief period (2 days in a row), but Winter is far from over and there is more to come. I guess its a risk that some are prepared to take, and others not. Personally I would just prefer a flat rate, even if its a bit more.

 

I just don't see the point of being at work, receiving notification of high prices etc when there is little I can actually do.

 

Flick is a great idea, they can make far better by perhaps giving users the flexibility of switching between a fixed rate/spot prices whenever required.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is a great idea, it still is, nothing has changed. but I cannot believe your last phrase. You want the lowest price but not the risk that goes with that. Thats crazy and thats not the model they run and you subscribed to. Analogy is you don't want to pay insurance premiums. But if you need to claim, you will for that day.

 

You can:

 

Go to a fixed rate company, the highs and lows are managed for you

 

Pay the Flick bill and a bit more each payment, build up a buffer. Many do that themselves, many companies have an option to assess the annual average and you pay that. 


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  Reply # 1823565 17-Jul-2017 07:09
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Sam91:

 

tdgeek:

This has been a days issue not an every second week for a week one. If you use Flick you get low rates all through the year, and this day's issue may happen a couple of times. Beats me how some love the low rates but can't endure the opposite for a very brief period


Nobody is worried about a few expensive days, it's the uncertainty of how long it will last which is the concern. In theory it could go on for several weeks, which would lead to huge losses for many people. 

 

So far we're up just over $200 by being with Flick. Based on the highest days last week, if those prices were to continue for a month, a $300 bill would be close to $900. It would take a long time to recoup that $600 loss.

Hopefully we don't see last week's prices return tomorrow.

 

 

Many are in fact worried. This is a days issue. The polar blast in school holidays probably is a key reason that it went up as much as it did, but as someone said earlier, this is normal, and this issue, this year is not the worst it has been


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