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  Reply # 1211117 9-Jan-2015 13:44
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If you are in the position to - leave.

Doesn't sound like you are going to be in a position where both parties are happy.



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  Reply # 1211146 9-Jan-2015 14:16
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wasabi2k: If you are in the position to - leave.

Doesn't sound like you are going to be in a position where both parties are happy.


That's the thing - I am not in the best position to leave for reasons I don't want to say on a public forum in case certain people are reading this (feel free to PM if you want to know why but I guess it's irrelevant). Basically I am not in a position to commit myself to a fixed term tenancy agreement at the moment with a new rental property.

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  Reply # 1211184 9-Jan-2015 14:51
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dacraka: That's the thing - I am not in the best position to leave for reasons I don't want to say on a public forum in case certain people are reading this (feel free to PM if you want to know why but I guess it's irrelevant). Basically I am not in a position to commit myself to a fixed term tenancy agreement at the moment with a new rental property.


Can you move into a place with existing flatmates? Usually one of the incumbents will hold the lease (or even own the house) and you can then move in without a time committment.

If you really have to stay where you are then you need to get a lawyer, and that will get very expensive very quickly.

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  Reply # 1211204 9-Jan-2015 15:21
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andrewNZ: I'd ask for a 25% discount not $20.
In return I'd let them bring anyone to see the outside anytime with an hours notice. I'd let then bring serious viewers at fixed times that suited me (I'd probably say while I'm at work Monday to Thursday) and other times by negotiation and one nights notice.


No discount ($20 doesn't count as a discount). I'd let them have 2 fixed 1 hour windows a week (at rubbish times for them) and one hour on one weekend day a month. Or tell them that its by negotiation only, 48 hours notice, and don't let them have more than 2 a week.


Posts like this make me grateful I don't own rental property. 

According to all my previous landlords, I am a very desirable tenant. I pay on time, I looked after the place and I never demanded silly things.

If a landlord treated me well, I certainly returned the favor.

Tenants are people, not just income. It's not the tenants choice to sell, if I was a landlord, I'd be organizing agreeable viewing times with the tenant before I put it on the market.




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  Reply # 1211255 9-Jan-2015 16:12
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networkn:
andrewNZ: I'd ask for a 25% discount not $20.
In return I'd let them bring anyone to see the outside anytime with an hours notice. I'd let then bring serious viewers at fixed times that suited me (I'd probably say while I'm at work Monday to Thursday) and other times by negotiation and one nights notice.


No discount ($20 doesn't count as a discount). I'd let them have 2 fixed 1 hour windows a week (at rubbish times for them) and one hour on one weekend day a month. Or tell them that its by negotiation only, 48 hours notice, and don't let them have more than 2 a week.


Posts like this make me grateful I don't own rental property. 


I've been in a rental when it has been put on the market (and 6 months earlier when we shifted in we were categorically told that the owner was in it for the long term with no desire to sell). You have an expectation as a tenant to be left to your own devices and left in peace and quiet. This is not the case when the place your renting gets put on the market.

It is a very different situation if you own the house and are selling it as you know that the inconvenience of always having your house looking its best, and vacating on short notice and regularly for viewings is all part of the house selling process. When it is a rental it is not the owner going through this - it is the tenant. So yes, a 25% discount is not a stupid or unrealistic thing to ask for, IMO.

As andrewNZ said, tenants are people. Landlords should be good to their tenants for what they put them through when their home is put on the market.

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  Reply # 1211265 9-Jan-2015 16:32
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dacraka: That's the thing - I am not in the best position to leave for reasons I don't want to say on a public forum in case certain people are reading this (feel free to PM if you want to know why but I guess it's irrelevant). Basically I am not in a position to commit myself to a fixed term tenancy agreement at the moment with a new rental property.


Can you move into a place with existing flatmates? Usually one of the incumbents will hold the lease (or even own the house) and you can then move in without a time committment.

If you really have to stay where you are then you need to get a lawyer, and that will get very expensive very quickly.


Why would he need a lawyer? He's just trying to keep the visits to a minimum, and to be honest the schedule suggested by the rude real estate agent was relatively reasonable. Just accept it and move on.




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  Reply # 1211473 10-Jan-2015 00:15
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alasta:
dacraka: That's the thing - I am not in the best position to leave for reasons I don't want to say on a public forum in case certain people are reading this (feel free to PM if you want to know why but I guess it's irrelevant). Basically I am not in a position to commit myself to a fixed term tenancy agreement at the moment with a new rental property.


Can you move into a place with existing flatmates? Usually one of the incumbents will hold the lease (or even own the house) and you can then move in without a time committment.

If you really have to stay where you are then you need to get a lawyer, and that will get very expensive very quickly.


Why would he need a lawyer? He's just trying to keep the visits to a minimum, and to be honest the schedule suggested by the rude real estate agent was relatively reasonable. Just accept it and move on.


As per some of your guys suggestions - I have accepted that two viewings per week maximum should be acceptable with 48 hours notice of each viewing - I think everyone agrees this is reasonable from what I have been reading here.
The owner won't budge past the current $20 per week discount (the law states that the owner is not required to give me a discount so there is nothing I can do there - I just have to accept that $20 is better than nothing and will have to deal with that.

Although the real estate agent is still trying to get 24 hour notice viewings out of me.

Thanks for all your help guys - the owner says that once three months has gone since the property was first listed for sale, he will take it off the market (approximately at the end of this month (Jan '15)), although when I asked him twice what the exact date was, he ignored my question on both occasions.

Thanks again for your help : ) I really appreciate it!

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  Reply # 1211984 11-Jan-2015 18:02
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Since the place is slow to sell, the 2 open homes a week has to be reduced to 1. If they arrange a private viewing, it absolutely must be at your discretion and at any time you agree to. We have just gone through this process and the house sold at auction 2 weeks after the first open home. Its a crappy place but the vendor had to pay the mortgage, so in this market the main factor is probably price.




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  Reply # 1211986 11-Jan-2015 18:04
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dacraka:

Thanks for all your help guys - the owner says that once three months has gone since the property was first listed for sale, he will take it off the market (approximately at the end of this month (Jan '15)), although when I asked him twice what the exact date was, he ignored my question on both occasions.

Thanks again for your help : ) I really appreciate it!


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  Reply # 1212057 11-Jan-2015 19:36
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alasta: If you really have to stay where you are then you need to get a lawyer, and that will get very expensive very quickly.


Why would he need a lawyer? He's just trying to keep the visits to a minimum, and to be honest the schedule suggested by the rude real estate agent was relatively reasonable. Just accept it and move on.


Your personal opinion of what's 'reasonable' may or may not be consistent with the relevant legal precedents.

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  Reply # 1212058 11-Jan-2015 19:38
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You've stated that moving isn't an option for personal reasons, but what are you going to do if the house sells and the new owners don't want to continue your tenancy? It sounds like you need to have a backup plan.



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  Reply # 1212091 11-Jan-2015 20:27
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alasta: You've stated that moving isn't an option for personal reasons, but what are you going to do if the house sells and the new owners don't want to continue your tenancy? It sounds like you need to have a backup plan.


Oh I have two backup plans, moving to my friends flat or my parents, I just don't want to as then I'll need to store everything in some sort of storage facility which is a lot of trouble

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  Reply # 1213105 13-Jan-2015 12:34
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dacraka:
alasta: You've stated that moving isn't an option for personal reasons, but what are you going to do if the house sells and the new owners don't want to continue your tenancy? It sounds like you need to have a backup plan.


Oh I have two backup plans, moving to my friends flat or my parents, I just don't want to as then I'll need to store everything in some sort of storage facility which is a lot of trouble


Nah - sell it all, move out of Auckland to a cheaper region, buy your own place with proceeds from the sale of stuff, and start your own business. All your problems sorted in one fell swoop ;)

But perhaps more realistically, good luck with it all. We're in our last week of renting, and are getting a bit tired of all the "can we arrange for new tenants to see the place tomorrow" type phone calls from the property mangager, so I empathise.

What is needed in NZ, given the falling home ownership rates and becoming increasingly tenented in our own land, are stronger laws in favour of tenants like those in many European countries, which are more balanced in terms of landlord-tenant rights.





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  Reply # 1213115 13-Jan-2015 12:52
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dacraka:
alasta: You've stated that moving isn't an option for personal reasons, but what are you going to do if the house sells and the new owners don't want to continue your tenancy? It sounds like you need to have a backup plan.


Oh I have two backup plans, moving to my friends flat or my parents, I just don't want to as then I'll need to store everything in some sort of storage facility which is a lot of trouble


Nah - sell it all, move out of Auckland to a cheaper region, buy your own place with proceeds from the sale of stuff, and start your own business. All your problems sorted in one fell swoop ;)

But perhaps more realistically, good luck with it all. We're in our last week of renting, and are getting a bit tired of all the "can we arrange for new tenants to see the place tomorrow" type phone calls from the property mangager, so I empathise.

What is needed in NZ, given the falling home ownership rates and becoming increasingly tenented in our own land, are stronger laws in favour of tenants like those in many European countries, which are more balanced in terms of landlord-tenant rights.




Thanks for your comments! : )



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  Reply # 1214753 14-Jan-2015 13:22
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Latest update: The owner has renewed the contract with the real estate agent for another three months. I can't handle this for another three months so I will be looking for a new place.

Thanks again everyone : ) Appreciate it!

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