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  Reply # 1381481 7-Sep-2015 23:45
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How is Stanley hand tool's quality in general? 


I got some "made in the USA" stanley screwdrivers because I was out and the warehouse had them and I thought they would be better than their normal house brand stuff.

The philips ends dont fit properly, they have a weird curve on the sides of them so they just pop out. the handles are rubbish and the flat one I used to open a paint can bent.

Would have been better buying the house brand screw driver with 20ish changable ends. At least they make those with an actual philips and an actual pozi in the pack, and if you are lucky something vaugely close enough to a square drive to work.




That more or less confirms my impression.  Quality (and price) is very variable - you'll see awful junk with Stanley brand for $10, but a reasonable quality $50 tool with the same brand sitting in the same aisle at the hardware store.  Perhaps that's why they've merged/been taken over.



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  Reply # 1381482 7-Sep-2015 23:45
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richms:
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How is Stanley hand tool's quality in general? 


I got some "made in the USA" stanley screwdrivers because I was out and the warehouse had them and I thought they would be better than their normal house brand stuff.

The philips ends dont fit properly, they have a weird curve on the sides of them so they just pop out. the handles are rubbish and the flat one I used to open a paint can bent.

Would have been better buying the house brand screw driver with 20ish changable ends. At least they make those with an actual philips and an actual pozi in the pack, and if you are lucky something vaugely close enough to a square drive to work.




It reminds me last time I was in Mitre10 (or Bunnings I cannot remember), surprising I couldn't find any single pozi driver, maybe there were ones in packs i didn't see. I didn't need to buy one so I didn't asked any stuffs. Weird though....

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1381484 7-Sep-2015 23:48
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Huchiz:

It reminds me last time I was in Mitre10 (or Bunnings I cannot remember), surprising I couldn't find any single pozi driver, maybe there were ones in packs i didn't see. I didn't need to buy one so I didn't asked any stuffs. Weird though....


Weird. Were heaps at my place. But it seems that square and hex have finally replaced pozi for most useage situations. It was still a pretty horrible head, not much better than philips at not slipping without huge amounts of pressure on it.

Sets are usually a waste of time IME, many paint can openers, too many philips, ones and a single #2 square if you are lucky.




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  Reply # 1381485 7-Sep-2015 23:50
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Huchiz: So why there are Stanley branded power tools? I thought having Dewalt/Black Decker should be enough. Complex market must be. :D


The parent company is Stanley Black & Decker. It's to B&Ds shame that they had to use a subsidiary company as their pro range.

The Corporate that markets Milwaukee and Ryobi also has AEG as another brand.

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  Reply # 1381486 7-Sep-2015 23:52
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Also at bunnings all the driver bits seem to have been replaced with the black impact rated ones. Used to have both those and the cheaper plain metal ones that were not impact rated.

Seen they have finally got the diablo range of router bits like aussie has had for a while. Finally got me a decent top bearing template bit, which the previous useless range of bits did not have for some reason. The cheapie I got off amazon was not very good.




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  Reply # 1381487 7-Sep-2015 23:55
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Huchiz: So why there are Stanley branded power tools? I thought having Dewalt/Black Decker should be enough. Complex market must be. :D


The parent company is Stanley Black & Decker. It's to B&Ds shame that they had to use a subsidiary company as their pro range.

The Corporate that markets Milwaukee and Ryobi also has AEG as another brand.


TTI have heaps of brands, Homelite is one that they used to use quite a bit. I have seen many more ryobi things appear at bunnings, comprerssors, generators, more air tools, more garden power tools that used to be homelite etc.

http://www.ttigroup.com/en/our_brands/ is the list of them all.






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  Reply # 1381517 8-Sep-2015 07:45
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I've bought and used ozito drop saw, skill saw, mains powered hammer drill (excellent), battery powered drill, sander, angle grinder. I've used them on pretty large projects over a very long summer (sizable decking, steps, retaining wall)
I've found the battery powered units are weak and the battery won't hold charge very well, but anything mains powered is *really* good. (I prefer mains powered anyway since I'm always near a power point, and I always forget to charge batteries)

The accessories you get Don't last long (blades, bits, even the sandpaper - the masonry bits you get with the drill are especially bad) but even if you spend a bit more to buy a decent set of bits etc it's still cheaper than the more expensive models.

I had one tool fail on me (motor burned out on the angle grinder) and burnings replaced it no questions asked and the replacement has been fine.

Would definitely use again. The tools are fine.

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  Reply # 1381519 8-Sep-2015 07:48
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^^^ I was looking at a cheap but decent line trimmer, old boy at Bunnings that had obviously been selling tools for longer than i had been alive steered me toward a Homelite as essentially a lower cost ryobi, iirc the motor was identical and the key differences were cosmetic at best

I bought an Ozito router years ago and it has had a fairly hard live on and off over the years shaping 25mm MDF into sub boxes and the like and has never missed a beat, there again it feels solid and worthy to the touch, i have seen some price fighter Ozito tools that you pick up and put straight back down again as they feel like toys

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  Reply # 1381542 8-Sep-2015 08:54
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richms: Sets are usually a waste of time IME, many paint can openers, too many philips, ones and a single #2 square if you are lucky.

I bought a Stanley ratchet screwdriver that has slots around the handle to fit half a dozen slotted and phillips heads/bits. I then bought a no-name brand set of heads/bits to go with it from Dick Smith. These heads came fitted into two red rubber cases that hold about 32 heads each, and has a nice selection of slotted, phillips, pozidrive, and square ends, with a few different sized hex and torx heads, a couple of tri-wing and 5 node security heads, and an adapter to plug into the back of a socket set. It's worked on anything I've needed to open in that time...

But more on topic, I do quite a bit of DIY but I'm no pro tradie.  I had a Ryobi cordless drill that lasted me almost 20 years of occasional use but eventually the batteries wouldn't hold a charge that lasted more than five minutes so last year I bought a set that had the Black and Decker 18v Matrix drill where you can swap the head for all sorts of other tools.  The set came with two batteries, a charger, the handle unit and a range of interchangeable heads for the handle: hammer drill, impact driver, jig saw, oscillating tool, small sander and a pump/inflator.  A while later, I bought a trim saw and hedge trimmer/shears set for it.  You can also get a router and reciprocating saw heads, but I haven't bought those (yet).

I've used everything I've got except the pump and, without going into the long list of things I've done, it's performed very well for my home handyman requirements.  There is a lot of plastic in some of the heads, so I'd want something more solid if I was building houses for a living.  My only real gripe is that when using some of the heads on a drill-type handle, sometimes the ergonomics aren't ideal.

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  Reply # 1381555 8-Sep-2015 09:12
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Sideface: "Suddenly I saw the Ozito 350W for only 69 dollars, with more accessories and 3 year replacement warranty."

I know and use Ryobi tools - reliable & perfectly OK for domestic use.

Never heard of Ozito - the "3 year replacement warranty" sounds too good to be true, so it probably is ...


I have a lot of ozito tools, for the price they work fine and because of the price it means I have a greater set of tools than I would otherwise have.

Skillsaw - works fine, blade is difficult to adjust for angles but works fine for ripping ply and cutting timber.
Multitool - the blade it came with was crap but i put a good blade on it and works just as well as my brothers expensive one
Jigsaw - no problems at all
Corded drill - works fine for when the cordless just doesn't have enough power
Rotary tool - works fine
Submersible pump - has been in the basement sump for two years and no problems, kicks in every couple of days (or hours in heavy rain), I brought two for less than the price of the next brand up.

My brother who is a builder laughed when I first started buying them and while he wouldn't use them on a site now acknowledges that they are not as bad as he thought.  They might not be as comfortable as his tools, and the blades are not great but they cost up to a tenth less and they have that 3 year warranty.  


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  Reply # 1381566 8-Sep-2015 09:39
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Our plumber uses an Ozito jigsaw and it works well for him.  He might use it a couple of times a week for a few minutes so no real need for a "trade" spec.  If it dies he buys another one.

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  Reply # 1381575 8-Sep-2015 09:50
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richms:
Bung:
Huchiz: So why there are Stanley branded power tools? I thought having Dewalt/Black Decker should be enough. Complex market must be. :D


The parent company is Stanley Black & Decker. It's to B&Ds shame that they had to use a subsidiary company as their pro range.

The Corporate that markets Milwaukee and Ryobi also has AEG as another brand.


TTI have heaps of brands, Homelite is one that they used to use quite a bit. I have seen many more ryobi things appear at bunnings, comprerssors, generators, more air tools, more garden power tools that used to be homelite etc.

http://www.ttigroup.com/en/our_brands/ is the list of them all.




It's because M10 and Bunnings both do the 15% price promise thing, it makes sense to go exclusive with some brands. You will likely find the exact same product with a different brand name for some gear. 

M10 no longer sell Dulux and Bunnings don't sell Resene is another example. 

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  Reply # 1381590 8-Sep-2015 10:05
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I feel cheap tools have their place. My stuff is mainly Ryobi or Bosch . But when installing a kitchen I needed a planer. Got a XU1 I think it was (no, not the aircraft from memory)

$30. Heavy, solid, did the job easily. used it the odd time since. For the right, light work, a cheapie offers great value, and take it easy on it too.

A mate bought an Ozito renovator tool. Rubbish, the blade kept going loose. I feel that type of tool needs a quality brand. His Ozito cordless drill blew up, he was possibly too hard on it, it was a weekend build a manshed project. Too much work at once I guess

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  Reply # 1381872 8-Sep-2015 16:29
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tdgeek: I feel cheap tools have their place.


Definitely. No point buying a $200 tool that only gets used twice a year.
And the cheapies really arnt all that bad, for home use.

My drill press, a el-cheapo generic from the Warehouse . It was  exactly the same as the Ryobi model , just a different label and $50 cheaper.
My cordless drill (Lithium batt) : I bought the cheapest lipo batt drill I could find, from the warehouse. 1st one failed, 2nd one has been really good. Holds its charge
indefinitely (being lipo) , and has a 2 year warranty . I'd recommend it.

I still have my expensive Hitachi drill I bought 25 years ago . Still works but it never gets used anymore. I just use the cheap cordless instead .
Convenience over quality I guess .

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  Reply # 1381882 8-Sep-2015 16:46
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My father once purchased a Ryobi drop saw from Bunnings.  First cut the gearbox exploded and the blade smashed the plastic safety guard as it flew out of the saw.

He took it back and the lady at the refund counter said, "Would you like another one". I cant repeat what my father said, but suffice to say he has never brought another Ryobi power tool.




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